"Mormons are largely Puritans" (JayMan's latest embarrassing averral)

On twitter, someone responds to a story about Glenn Beck's banning coverage of Donald Trump from his show with "Mormons r becoming some the worst #cuckservatives-missions to Haiti & China & letting their daughters marry Samoans". JayMan seizes the opportunity to inform us: "Mormons are largely Puritans (augmented with Scandinavians)."

This is of course simply false. While Puritan ancestry is found at higher levels among Mormons than in the US population in general, it's not true that Mormons today are of predominantly Puritan descent. (Nor is any other major population in America today of predominantly Puritan descent.)

In addition to Scandinavians, converts from missionary efforts in Britain form a major component in the ancestry of those with early Mormon roots. Moreover, most of the British converts came from areas outside of East Anglia and should tend to be "clannish" relative to New England Puritans in the JayMan understanding of things.

Hail, looking at Mitt Romney's ancestry, found:

  • Most of his ancestral stock consists of early converts to Mormonism from Britain (most from Northwest-England and Scotland) who were impelled to the USA from the 1830s to the 1850s, settling directly in Mormon communities.
  • Colonial-Yankees account for 27% of Romney’s ancestral stock.
  • 12.5% (one-eighth) of his ancestral stock comes from Northern-Germany.
The current president of the Mormon church, Thomas S. Monson, has no colonial American ancestry whatsoever. He's half Scottish, 1/4 northern English, and 1/4 Swedish.

What makes this all even more amusing is that Glenn Beck was not even born a Mormon. He's a convert, and per wikipedia:

He is descended from German immigrants who came to the United States in the 19th century.[24] Beck was raised as a Roman Catholic and attended Immaculate Conception Catholic School in Mount Vernon.

Glenn and his older sister moved with their mother to Sumner, Washington, attending a Jesuit school[25] in Puyallup.


Steve Sailer said...

Here's the Romneys' distant kinsman, 18th Century English society painter George Romney:


FredR said...

On neither side of my wife's well-documented Mormon ancestry tree could I find anyone who lived in America before the mid-19th Century.

JayMan said...

This would be much more interesting if you had the overall ancestral composition of the U.S. Mormon population, not just certain select individuals (of unknown representativeness).

n/a said...


The whole point of publicly embarrassing you like this is to encourage you to check your own facts and theories. Preferably before you promulgate the misinformation. But when that fails, to at least show the initiative afterwards when your errors are pointed out to you.

As the Church spread through Europe, tens of thousands of new converts emigrated to America, leaving everything behind them for their faith and desire to be with fellow members. Of the 60,000 to 70,000 Saints who emigrated to the Salt Lake Valley in the late 1800s, more than 98 percent of the survivors were from Europe, and 75 percent were from Britain. The British converts began to emigrate with the arrival of Brigham Young to Britain in 1840. As American members faced persecution, new European members brought strength and refreshment.

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were the pioneer settlers of Utah and have always accounted for a high percentage of the population. The first wagon train of pioneers entered the Salt Lake Valley in 1847. By the time the railroad reached Utah in 1869, more than 69,000 Mormons had made the trek across the Great Plains. [. . .]

Early pioneers came primarily from the New England, mid-Atlantic, and Midwestern states as well as Canada and Great Britain. The population of the early settlements grew because of missionary work overseas. British converts formed the largest foreign-born immigrant group followed by the Scandinavians. Significant numbers also came from France, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands.

So while Salt Lake City's foreign-born population during the 1880s ran as high as 80 percent, there were very few conflicts. Mormon immigrants assimilated into the mainstream of Mormonism's unique culture in one generation.

The first striking fact is that many of our pioneer girls were raised abroad, or were born of parents who emigrated from other countries when the girl was a small child. In 1870, approximately half the adults in Utah were foreign-born. In 1890, a year for which we have more detailed demographic data, Utah’s population, excluding those under ten, consisted of 30 percent native whites with native white parents, 35 percent native white with foreign parentage, and 34 percent foreign-born white. In other words approximately 70 percent of Utah’s residents had foreign-born parents. A little over half of these foreign-born in Utah’s first 30 years were born in the British Isles, and a little less than half in Scandinavia, principally Denmark.

Spyros said...

This is off topic, but I would like to bring the following article to racehist's attention: http://newsletter.blogs.wesleyan.edu/files/2013/10/pastj_gts046_full.pdf

It concerns the loss of power of the WASP gentry in the Connecticut town of Middletown.

JayMan said...

"The whole point of publicly embarrassing you like this"

You overestimate yourself.

Thanks for the info, though.

n/a said...

No, JayMan, I also realize you're not actually competent enough to be embarrassed by your incompetence. My ascription of embarrassment to you is rhetorical. The point remains: I don't have the time or inclination to fact check all your shit, and if you care remotely about your credibility, you need to spend less time conveying what you think you know and more time attempting to confirm that what you think you know is actually correct.

"Genetic differences between groups of people, once established, persist as long as the different groups do until diluted or erased by admixture (this is known as the Founder effect)."

Not quite what "founder effect" means.

Anonymous said...

n/a is very confused, but not as much a jayman.

n/a whines that mercastan isn't a meritocracy and that contemporary mercastani elites have been selected for conformity. he's right...


n/a is a "conservative". wtf does he think he means by such a self-identification? does he mean ANYTHING other than racism?

like all self-identified mercastani "conservatives", he's just a white trash moron.

"conservatives" love taking it in the ass from Israel and claim that the prevailing system is perfectly fair...everyone gets what he deserves...no more/no less.

E Kentucky is the poorest part of mercastan. it's all white, and it's > 90% GOP.


BOTH parties are puppets.

ONE for rich Jews.

THE OTHER for rich...but still white trash...goyim.

Anonymous said...

and the only three states with every county going for obama in 2012?

massachusetts, rhode island, vermont. must be all those jews and papists, right?

n/a thinks he's a yankee for God knows what reason.

in fact he's Scots-Irish from Eastern Kentucky.

Anonymous said...

here's the map showing that obesity rates for whites is highest in the red states.


what's also highest among whites in red states?

teen pregnancy.


murder rate.

n/a should stop pretending already.

the problem with america is americans, namely:

1. jews
2. white trash