Anonymous: Guy White's response // His reproval "don't ... be an annoying bitch who makes up stuff and uses half-facts" is especially amusing. Clear projection on his part.
One of my favorite Guy White "facts" (mentioned in a remarkably high proportion of the Guy White posts I've read) goes something like "anti-Semites claim Jews are responsible for premature ejaculation". At one point he even linked to his "source" -- a blatant troll post (containing a list of "Jewish inventions" that also includes "chinese food" and "lemon trees") in the Stormfront opposing views section by a banned user named "Zion Elder" -- which illustrated one of two things: the sheer magnitude of Guy White's cognitive deficiency or the utter contempt he has for the mental abilities of his followers.
Guy White: After I wrote about Swedish women’s miscegenation and the general Swedish liberalism, “racehist” responded that I am trying to have sex with Nordic women, and just feel bad that I can’t. This is an identical argument to the one made by liberals who say that if you oppose gay marriage, you are secretly gay and overcompensating.
Think this through, bro: obviously I have no problem with opposition to miscegenation, since I support Northern European preservationism. My problem is with the tone, focus, and motivations of some S. Euro internet posters. Typically, comments of the sort I have in mind come down to:
- "You think you're better than me? [Or: I think you're better than me.] Well, you're[sic] women fuck negroes. LOLS."
- "Southern European women are less attractive? At least their not mudsharks! LOLS."
- "You think we're mixed? Well, look at all the race mixing in Northern Europe. LOLS." (Ponto -- who I understand from reading some of his posts at 23andMe is a Maltese who moved to Australia, changed his name to a Scottish one, and brags that his children look "Nordic" -- breezed through here recently leaving a perfect example of this type of comment.)
Guy White: It also conflicts with his prior post that argued that I must have a black gay boyfriend. So which is it? Am I trying to have sex with naturally blond women or black men? (I must admit, racehist is part right. One of these options is my wife.)
First, I notice you feel the need to inform us you have a "naturally blonde" wife, essentially confirming you believe this confers status on you.
Second, I never said you had a black boyfriend. One of my commenters (or a commenter at another site) did and you found it convenient to lie to your readers and falsely attribute this statement to me -- though you're so fucking stupid you may by now believe your own lie.
I did call you gay a couple of times, because raving about how black men are hypermasculine superathletes who have "bodies like Greek gods" without working out is pretty fucking gay. Ultimately, I attributed your being overimpressed with black physiques to your being an urban ethnic who was beat up by blacks when you were a kid. (Nor do I think anyone could take the commenter as literally alleging you have a black boyfriend. I think even hypergraphic internet tranny Andrea Freiboden / Middletown Girl probably suffers from autogynephilia rather than full-blown teh ghey.)
Your desiring blonde women is not at all incompatible with your talking up the masculinity of black men. Bangladeshi GNXP-webmaster Razib Khan notoriously covets blonde women while being a connoisseur of black-on-white pornography. One suspects he enjoys this variety of porn because it gives him the thrill of vicariously defiling white womens while promoting storylines in which white women are best satisfied by dark-skinned, non-white men. Razib no doubt realizes he's much less masculine than the average white man; it would not shock me if he comforts himself by imagining that at least some group (black men) is more masculine than white men -- or even by imagining himself as black at times (I think I've actually seen him claim people have mistaken him as such).
More generally, I think assertions by non-blacks that black men are hypermasculine and/or immensely attractive to white women and/or preternaturally "cool" tend to have more to do with ethnic and status competition among non-blacks than they have to do with blacks. Statements of this sort typically come from one of three groups:
- non-Northern European ethnics
- middle-aged men
Let's take some illustrations.
Non-Northern European Ethnics
Fingers (1978) revealed Toback's obsession with former football great and blaxploitation movie star Jim Brown, one of the more potent mainstream avatars of African American pride and defiance to the culture at large in the late 1960s and early '70s. In a year 2000 appearance at the National Film Theatre in London to screen and discuss _Black and White (1999)_, his film dealing with relations between "wiggas" (Caucasian black-wannabes) and African Americans (with a cast that included former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson playing himself, counseling another African American to commit murder), Toback admitted that he revered black culture as an antidote to the sterility of middle-class white existence. Toback said that he was bored with his life and his wife after graduating from Harvard, and he saw Jim Brown as a symbol of the freedom he wanted to achieve. His explanation and the portrayal of a homosexual character in the film (played by frequent Toback star Robert Downey Jr.) did not go over well with the members of color in the audience, but Toback was undaunted by their hostility and remained in good spirits.Or Norman Mailer. Or Norman Podhoretz. In "My Negro Problem--and Ours" (pdf), in between his description of "being repeatedly beaten up, robbed, and in general hated, terrorized and humiliated" by blacks ("in my world it was the whites, the Italians and Jews, who feared the Negroes, not the other way around") and his call for "wholesale" black-white miscegenation, Podhoretz explains:
as in childhood I envied Negroes for what seemed to me their superior masculinity, so I envy them today for what seems to me their superior physical grace and beauty. I have come to value physical grace very highly, and I am now capable of aching with all my being when I watch Negro couple on the dance floor, or a Negro playing baseball or baketball. They are on the kind of terms with their own bodies that I should like to be on with mineIf one recalls Philip Roth's Portnoy's Complaint (pdf), an impetus for invidious comparisons between white men and black men by Jews should immediately be clear:
But the shikses, ah, the shikses are something else again. Between the smell of damp sawdust and wet wool in the overheated boathouse, and the sight of their fresh cold blond hair spilling out of their kerchiefs and caps, I am ecstatic. Amidst these flushed and giggling girls, I lace up my skates with weak, trembling fingers, and then out into the cold and after them I move, down the wooden gangplank on my toes and off onto the ice behind a fluttering covey of them– a nosegay of shikses, a garland of gentile girls. I am so awed that I am in a state of desire beyond a hard-on. My circumcised little dong is simply shriveled up with veneration. Maybe it's dread. How do they get so gorgeous, so healthy, so blond? My contempt for what they believe in is more than neutralized by my adoration of the way they look, the way they move and laugh and speak– the lives they must lead behind those goyische curtains! Maybe a pride of shikses is more like it– or is it a pride of shkotzim? For these are the girls whose older brothers are the engaging, good-natured, confident, clean, swift, and powerful halfbacks for the college football teams called Northwestern and Texas Christian and UCLA. Their fathers are men with white hair and deep voices who never use double negatives,The Jewish man may feel physically inadequate compared to both white men and black men; but whites have things he wants and are viewed as serious competitors, while blacks are not -- so the choice of which group to elevate (in areas where the Jewish man is not seriously competing to begin with) and which to tear down is easy. Thus we get Howard Stern, "Blacks on Blondes" (a porn director notes the trouble he has finding suitable male "talent" for the site since "The Producer is very picky about size"), Bob Arum, etc.
The most extreme example of a non-Jew in this category I know of is Half Sigma-commenter Peter Rosa (who you probably remember, if at all, for his obsession with female pubic hair). Peter is a lower middle class, formerly fat-assed urban ethnic who started working out as he entered middle age and regrets not having played team sports in high school. He complains about men who wear suits and play golf (i.e., men who have more status than him, many of whom played team sports in high school). Peter personally finds black men extremely intimidating and insists all other white men do as well. He believes black men have better bodies than white men "99%" of the time and fully agrees with Michael Moore on 9/11:
Fat, slovenly, left-wing radical big-mouth Michael Moore pontificated to a London audience that the victims of 9/11 on the hijacked planes were wimps and if only more bad-ass black gangstas had been on board … "If the passengers had included black men," he claimed, "those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody."I never caught Peter's apology after that Dutchman subdued the crotch bomber. Most recently, Peter has insisted that Epic Beard Man never would have dared beat down Cornrows had he not been crazy. Peter offers a suitable segue into the next category.
Certain highly asthenic types or others who lack physical confidence would like to see the physical realm consigned to blacks for fairly obvious reasons. They believe whites should compete only in areas where they feel comfortable (e.g., intellectually), or they feel better believing their condition is a general feature of whites rather than a personal one of their own. They likely envy (or envied) athletic and popular white kids, and don't view blacks as real competitors. They may in fact identify with blacks as fellow outcasts and insist that blacks are "cool" and whites are "uncool", or that black men are highly sexually attractive and white men are sexually unattractive.
Steve Sailer falls into this category at times. In one of the weaker parts of his book, Sailer essentially explains that Obama's mother was obviously drawn to Obama's father (a moon-faced negro with coke-bottle glasses) by pure, animal lust (that is, her choice of mates had nothing to do with the fact that her parents were communists or that she looked a bit like a young Bill Clinton and her first name was Stanley, but was a perfectly natural event explained by the fact that white women are insatiably attracted to black men), and held a flame for him after marrying an Asian due to the greater masculinity of black men. Steve quotes related sentiments in a letter from John Updike to his mulatto grandchildren. Updike, although I believe of Dutch ancestry, looked quite like a nebbishy Jew. I can fully appreciate why he would have considered himself sexually unattractive, but this does not mean the average white woman is more sexually attracted to the average black man than to the average white man.
See also George Sodini, who in addition to having a very extreme case of nerd was ethnic and middle-aged.
Declining testosterone and physical attractiveness (and presumably sexual performance) may lead to outcomes similar to those mentioned above. These types would prefer whites compete only in the intellectual and financial realms. See, among others, Guessedworker.
Needless to say, sports writers, coaches, and recruiters commonly fall into one or more of these categories, explaining some of the glee with which they often insist only blacks can be real athletes.
Note: I'm not saying all ethnics, all nerds, all middle-aged men act this way. I'm saying I've noticed those who are most insistent on the physical superiority of blacks tend to fall into one of these categories. Nor am I saying there are no real physical differences between races, or that blacks have no advantages in certain sports, or that it's not a legitimate field of inquiry. What I'm against is wild exaggeration and willful ignorance of facts or evidence.