I'm looking for resources on how to understand "structure", "admixture", etc. plots (e.g. this - what exactly do the columns represent?), and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations. I'd like to know both how to interpret these plots as well as something about how they are produced (I know the basics of statistics and linear algebra).
I'd like a topic about the Rothschild's fortune specifically.
We discused that earlyer in a series of videos. Several comments suggested the fortune is above a few trillions dollars. I suspect that this fortune was raised by abuse, immorality, cheat, lie, usury, transatlantic slave trade, mercenary bussiness (sometimes on both sides of a war), the British Waterloo 'defeat' falsely announced by a rothschild to deprime the english trade and what else ?
I also have a question: does anybody know the origin of the expression 'peasant death'. I've heard that in the Michael Moore movie 'Capitalism' about companies that make money on our dead bodies without our knowledge. It immediatly reminded me of the insurrance policy that the Rothschild had on every mercenary's prussian/hessian head that fell under contract with the British crown. Damn! in 'The Patriot' MelGibson completely failed to mention who made money by lending this evil hessian colonel who commited war crimes on America.
Each line represents an individual. Different colors represent different assumed/inferred ancestral populations. The structure website features copies of papers with information on methods.
Second Anonymous,
Let's see the actual study.
Louis IX,
"Several comments suggested the fortune is above a few trillions dollars."
I don't find that believable. I know a claim to that effect appeared on the website of a British newspaper, but British newspapers are not known for their fact checking. My sense is the entire family put together is worth well under $50 billion, maybe under $10 billion. In 2005, Jardine Strategic paid "US$187 million for a 20% interest in Rothschilds Continuation Holdings" (pdf). A couple of individual Rothschilds are said to have personal savings in the multiple billions.
Surely the paper found (honestly or not) that this difference disappears after adjusting for income, and the journalist forgot/"forgot" to mention that the lack of difference was only after this adjustment.
Obama Needs To Start Talking About Race If he wants his new AIDS strategy to work. http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/76285/obama-needs-start-talking-about-race
The columns represent the number of clusters chosen for the clustering solution (in your figure, from 2-10). For example, the 3-cluster solution, roughly separates Africans, Caucasians, and East Asians, and you see admixture in some groups (e.g. African admixture in north African populations).
As for how the individuals are assigned to different clusters, the papers at n/a's link provide the details, but this is a pretty good high-level description of it (source):
[...] individuals are first randomly assigned into one of k groups, without regard to population affiliation. Individuals are then moved between groups to minimize Hardy-Weinberg disequilibrium and interlocus linkage disequilibrium within each group (minimal within-groups disequilibirum ensures genetic homogeneity within each group). Posterior probabilities of membership in each of the k groups are then estimated for each individual.
The colours for each individual (the rows of the plot) correspond to the probability of membership in the different clusters. For example, you can see that for 1 Saudi there is much higher probability for assignment to the red ('African') cluster (looks to be around 40%).
If you follow n/a's link, you will find, in addition to the publications, the software (structure) and some data sets you can use to try it out. It's a Java program, so you can run it on the major OS's.
There are other ways to estimate admixture(e.g.). For detecting population structure, the eponymous program and PCA (most frequently used implementation being EIGENSOFT) appear to be the standards. To run EIGENSOFT, you'll need a Linux machine (if you only have Windows, you can download Wubi and install and run Ubuntu Linux without hassle- shouldn't interfere with your Windows install).
Anon, (why don't you use a name in the name/url tab, if you are afraid of search, I suggest a name that is already very famous, like louis ix, any search with louisix is likely to retrieve thousands of refs to the real king of the name, before the name of this blog pops up), I beg to differ on the rothschild's fortune, the references are estimations because basically the fortune is hidden since the end of the XIX century. The Wikipedia english article on 'Rothschild family' has a good 'discussion' section about this topic. The discussion in wiki links to this blog: http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/rothschild2.html
Which in turn gives an estimation based on about 6 US$ billions in 1850. With the lowest growth rate of 4% over 147 years, you get over a trillion US dollar in today's money.
Is it possible to own 6 billions in 1850? yes, i quote wiki: "The family's rise to European prominence began with Mayer Amschel Rothschild (born Frankfurt, 1744), the son of Amschel Moses Rothschild,[6] a money changer. Born in the ghetto (called "Judengasse" or Jew Alley) of Frankfurt am Main.." So the family had a hundred years to amass ~ 6 billions by 1850. The logic is irrefutable, knowing their business practice (like the waterloo hoax) or any jewish business in general, they are not liekely to LOOSE money, therefore if they really are in the vicinity of 6 billions in 1850, they MUST be in the trillions today. Of course, they might claim in all honesty with both tips of their tongue (I borrow this expression from a blogger here)that they own under their name only few billions, that's not likely to adress the anmount of shares they own under different names or cover organisations.
And by the way, there is no such thing as a valid nobility title given to non-christian usurers. A Nobility title is based on middle aged concepts of chivalry and services given to the CHRISTIAN world. Those who sold such titles for 50 silver coins should actually loose their own title.
Anthropologist Bertil Lundman on the Central European brachycephalization:
In Central Europe the increase in mean cephalic index from the early Middle Ages to the nineteenth century was extremely pronounced. For example, in Bavaria the proportion of the population classified as brachycephalic or round-headed increased from some 30% to 80-90% during this time period. In northwest Germany the change was from about 20% to more than 50% during the same time. The trend toward greater degree of brachycephaly still continues in parts of Poland and Rumania (Necrasow). This trend has naturally been much less pronounced in those regions of Europe which are presently still dolichocephalic or longheaded. In fact, in central Sweden there has been no change at all over time in mean cephalic index.
How does one explain these changes in head form? The relatively small decrease in mean cephalic index in recent times is probably connected with the stronger and quicker growth in youth. At this age period the head often becomes somewhat relatively longer-formed. In parts of Switzerland and other regions of Europe, the disappearance of cretinism and other conditions, produced by the importation of iodine, etc., is partly responsible for changes in population values of head form.
But what about the great increase in cephalic index in the Middle Ages and later periods? We still do not know to what degree environment, hereditary changes, arid selection were factors in this change in head form. The economic conditions of the lower classes in Europe evidently deteriorated in many ways during this time period. This was due to a sharp increase in population, long-lasting and destructive wars, and intensified pressure of the nobility upon the serfs. Moreover, in this time pronounced hereditary changes were being established. In part this was associated with a; rearrangement (through selection) of the hereditary composition of the population.
The changes appear to have tended toward a later-maturing and less assuming type, predominantly of the Alpine race. This type could have had relatively better chances for reproduction and survival during the times of war, scarcity, and pestilence (such as the Black Death around 1350) than the more assuming and earlier-maturing type, of the Nordic race. The round-headed mountain dwellers also suffered less in their protected location during the serious troubles of the land. Thus, these people could later partly settle the rich plains devastated by war and plague.
However, all the above is in no way a sufficient explanation of the change in cephalic index. For in the past two millennia a similar change in head form is very often observable among Mongolid populations. It also occurred among Europid peoples living in the colder regions of Europe, but not among Europids of the warmer regions. Perhaps this is one of the causes of the sound shift in the south German language which set in at about the same time.
The dramatic increase in cephalic index during the Middle Ages and early modern period wasn’t just restricted to Central Europe. It occurred among the Slavs of Eastern Europe as well. From Carleton Coon:
“The Slavs, like all the other Indo-European-speaking peoples whom we have been able to trace, were originally Nordic, and there is no suggestion in their early remains, in the regions studied, of the numerically predominant brachycephalic racial increments which today are considered typically Slavic.”
“Most of the Slavs retained their original dolichocephalic cranial form until at the earliest the thirteenth, and the latest the fifteenth, century. At that time, those who inhabited Russia and central Europe grew progressively brachycephalic, at a rapid but consistent rate. Well-documented series from Bohemia and the Moscow government show how this change progressed from century to century, so that normal means of 73 to 75 rose as high as 83 by the nineteenth. Few Slavs were spared this change, which was parallel to that which affected the southern Germans and other peoples of central and eastern Europe. Although it took place in the full light of late mediaeval and modern history, no one fully satisfactory explanation has yet been offered.”
“If environment can so demonstrably affect stature, and act with such rapidity (the New Englanders have grown 7 cm. in 100 years), then it is more than likely that it can affect other racial criteria, including head form. The excessive brachycephalization which swept over central Europe in the Middle Ages, affecting especially southern Germany and Bohemia, followed the same pattern as the stature change. Both proceeded as orderly increases at fixed rates of speed. Selection may have been a large contributing cause, through infiltration and differential birth rates. Simple Mendelian dominance of brachycephaly, which has never been demonstrated, may not be eliminated, but it cannot have been the only factor involved. But even if we grant infiltration and differential selection and direct Mendelism, it is difficult to account for the rise in cephalic index in the south German and Alpine region over any level which it had attained in antiquity, historic or prehistoric, unless we place this change at least partly on the basis of a response to environmental stimuli. The food-gatherers of west-central Europe seem to have responded to an earlier and equally extensive brachycephalization during the Mesolithic, a period of profound climatic change; and the parallel modification, millennia later, among civilized food-producers, may, for reasons as yet unknown, have followed a parallel mechanism of change.”
“It is the virtual absence of Alpines in the British Isles which has prevented the British from undergoing a brachycephalization comparable to that found in most of central Europe. There seem to be no dominant trends in head form, for the component elements in the British amalgam have retained their original cephalic index levels.”
Theya: "And the biggest enemies of whites have been ludicrous race theorists whose ideas and deeds were so crazy and wicked that they came to discredit even sound, true, and genuinely scientific theories about race. And you can still them in groups like Stormfront, Castefootball, and on occasion, even at Alt Right. Let's face it. The problem with theories about race is a good deal developed as a justification and/or rationalization for white rule, white domination, white imperialism, and white arrogance. (In some cases, the racial arrogance got so out of hand that whites though they would easily rule the whole planet with ease.) Because racial theories had been politicized from the beginning, there wasn't much science in many of them. Worse, racial theories came to be dominated by Northern pale skinned Europeans who used it to expound about how they were closer to the 'aryan' ideal and better than the all 'swarthy' whites. Who can deny all the dumb Anglo Waspy race theories in US, UK, and Germany about why their Northern stock was superior to Eastern-and-Southern European stock? If anything, racial theories up to the end of WWII often served to divide than unite whites. This was especially true of the Nazis, who even waged a war of extermination agaisnt the Slavs. (I don't wanna hear another BS about Nazis invading USSR mainly to defeat communism and to liberate the Christian Slavs. That is TOO FUNNY.) " http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/untimely-observations/where-black-rules-white/
Theya/Andrea Freiboden's comment reminds me of the southern Italian at Guy White's blog who complained about the "racist and hateful science" of Northern Europeans.
"As far as southern italians having smaller heads than everyone else, I really don’t know it that is true. However, the original testing that was done in the late parts of the nineteenth, and early parts of the twentieth century, where skulls of different races her filled with sand to test the cranial capacity, were largely found to have been fudged, or faked.
Northern Europeans are always behind this sort of racist and hateful science. They have a lot invested in trying to prove once and for all that they are superior to other races. And there is a reason for this: Insecurity.
In fact history would put the meditteranean race on top if we’re are to compare ethnic groups. It is a fact that while greek and roman civilization was enjoying the bronze age, the germanic people of the north were still in the stone age. They were considered savages by the romans ...
The undeniable fact is, italians once conquered and ruled the known world, and were technologically, politically, literally far ahead of the nordic europeans These same “low IQ, small headed, narcissistic, and everything else I’ve read here about my people, SOUTHERN ITALIANS."
Is there any evidence for the idea that "Alpines" or brachycephalic people are inferior in any way? Southern Germany at least has produced no shortage of eminent men, and when I look at pictures of famous German scientists, philosophers, composers, political leaders, etc. I see no evidence for the idea that they were predominantly Nordic.
Also, as far as the "no Alpines in the British Isles" thing, aren't "Borreby" and "Brunn" types essentially the NW European Alpine variants?
Theya/Freiboden never offers evidence when pressed for particular claims she makes. She repeats the same drivel over and over.
I have, for example, never seen her substantively prove her wild claims about negro superiority beyond anecdotes that her female friends find them to be sexually preferable. Of what claims on Stormfront or Caste Football she objects to isn't even clear.
She shirks and changes the subject if you try to quote scholarly research that contradicts her.
another jawbone critic quote for you "Or suppose some woman offers a blowjob to a guy but it turns out she's really a he, a transsexual. That would be gross too, for most guys anyway. " http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/in-israel-miscegenation-is-rape/
"they are not liekely to LOOSE money, therefore if they really are in the vicinity of 6 billions in 1850, they MUST be in the trillions today."
Very bad assumption. The default is for money to evaporate. Earning an average 4% return after taxes and inflation every year for a century and a half is far from trivial. Secretly owning trillions of dollars in assets is impossible. The numbers on the web page you link to intended to "give some perspective" do, albeit not in the way intended by the author:
To give these figures some perspective consider these benchmarks: * A little of $300 billion US buys every ounce of gold in every central bank in the world (see John Kutyn's estimate (http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest/kutyn111597.html). * U.S. M3 money supply August 1997 was $5.2 trillion * U.S. debt is currently $5.4 trillion. * U.S. GDP (1997; 2nd Q.) is $8.03 trillion. * George Soros' empire is worth an estimated $20 billion.
While Madison Grant wrote some very provocative works advocating the importance of White survival, he did not always practice what he espoused. In fact, Grant was known to have sexual liasons with Asian women.
There was also many rumored stories of him having an illegitimate biracial Asain child and would engage in sex with mulatto Black women.
There is a book written by authors Estelle Freedman and John D’Emilio entitled Intimate Matters. The book is an exhaustive, comprehnensive study of the history of American sexual behavior from the 17th century to 1990s.
They discuss Mr. Grant’s very voracious sexual appetite for non-White women, especially Asian women and biracal Black women. Check it out for yourself.
A preview of the book Intimate Matters is available at Google Books. A search for "Madison Grant" returns no results. I can't find any reference to these supposed "many rumored stories" anywhere online. If there were any such rumors, you would expect that Grant's detractors would have used them against him. Is this Amren comment accusation fabricated out of thin air?
More significant, however, was that in the process the Rothschilds created the world of banking as we know it today. Nathan operated principally as an underwriter and speculator in the early 19th-century bond market. He and his brothers invented, or at any rate popularised, the government bond, which allowed investors, big and small, to buy bits of the debts of sovereign states by purchasing fixed-interest bearer bonds.
Governments liked this because they could use them to raise colossal sums of money. Investors liked them because they could be traded - at prices that fluctuated in relation to the performance of the issuing government - and shrewd investors could make big sums. It brought investment in railways, the industrial revolution and ventures like the Suez Canal. The Rothschilds got a cut of everything.
It was a new kind of power. "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply," Nathan said. The family developed a lack of awe for the powerful and important. A pompous aristocrat one day called on Nathan who was head down at his desk. Without looking up, the banker said: "Take a chair." His caller, affronted, said: "You are speaking to the Prince of Thurn and Taxis." To which Rothschild replied: "Take two chairs." At one point he even rescued the Bank of England after a run on gold caused the collapse of 145 banks. In 1885 he was given the hereditary title of Baron Rothschild.
Many of the distinct characteristics of the family can be traced back to the will of the founder Mayer Rothschild. It stipulated that no public inventory should be made of his estate; that key positions in the House of Rothschild were to be held by family members; that the eldest son should inherit unless the rest agreed otherwise; that the family was to intermarry with first and second cousins to keep the fortune together; that anyone disputing these terms would be struck from the will. And that all this should apply in perpetuity.
In part this was about preserving not just their Jewish identity but a self-conscious position as role models for their poorer co-religionists. The Rothschilds expended much effort and money pressing for Jewish emancipation and equality across the continent.
A preview of the book Intimate Matters is available at Google Books. A search for "Madison Grant" returns no results. I can't find any reference to these supposed "many rumored stories" anywhere online. If there were any such rumors, you would expect that Grant's detractors would have used them against him. Is this Amren comment accusation fabricated out of thin air?
Of course this comment accusation is a complete, and libelous fabrication (and slander) against one of the greatest and most tenacious White activists that America was blessed to have.
If Madison could only still be with us, when we need courageous men like him more than ever now.
I'm not convinced that Andrea is really a male. Andrea seems to have too many stereotypical feminine traits to be a male, even a homosexual one. That's my feeling until better evidence is presented.
Even though Andrea is often inconsistent and emotionally driven in her screeds, she comes off to me as being a fairly well-educated college type. I personally imagine her as a fairly bright but rather unattractive feminist - maybe a professor or lecturer of some sort. She comes off as being well-inculcated in the Frankfurt School dialetic and has often had very many positive things (with, at best, very mild criticism) to say about Marx, Frankfurt School, Susan Sontag, and etc. The only thing that doesn't really seem to fit is her token criticisms of blacks (if anyone pays attention, she's pretty enthusiastic about other races) - one can either take that an attempt to fit in the paleo/HBD blogs by being anti-black or a sign that she's willing to part ways with the traditional leftist orthodoxy on the issue of blacks (it wouldn't be unheard of - one of the hidden secrets of the revolutionary left is an often untold animus towards blacks).
What's interesting, of course, is her sort of love/hate relationship with blacks. She freely admits that blacks are dumb and violent but she attributes a whole bunch of undeserved qualities to them - being more attractive (to a point of being a fetish), being more muscular, being better at all athletics, being better musicians, and etc. I wonder if she was raped by a negro and has some sort of perverse fondness of the memory or was beaten by blacks and thinks that having a strong man hurt her is erotic somehow. In a similar vein, she continuously degrades and denigrates white males as being weak, effeminate, and sexually frustrated (because all the manly blacks are taking the white girls and/or stealing them away from whites through). Perhaps any number of things could make her think that way - one of the more obvious ones being that she's a coalburner who enjoys the sexual comfort of black men but is so insecure about it (like most coalburners are) that she lashes out at white men at any opportunity to self-justify her behavior.
I'm not really convinced she is a troll either - she is way too focused and dedicated on her topics of interest for this to be a troll, in my opinion. Most trolls aren't in it for the long haul and wouldn't dedicate the effort to write paragraph after paragraph of neo-Marxist drivel just for a few giggles. Furthermore, her writings come off as things she writes to gain agreement from the audience and to sway them, as opposed to shocking people and causing discord. It is only recently (after 1-2 years of my knowledge of her existence) that people are starting to become more critical of her and calling her out in force. I suppose its possible though.
I'm not convinced that Andrea is really a male. Andrea seems to have too many stereotypical feminine traits to be a male, even a homosexual one. That's my feeling until better evidence is presented.
Even though Andrea is often inconsistent and emotionally driven in her screeds, she comes off to me as being a fairly well-educated college type. I personally imagine her as a fairly bright but rather unattractive feminist - maybe a professor or lecturer of some sort. She comes off as being well-inculcated in the Frankfurt School dialectic and has often had very many positive things (with, at best, very mild criticism) to say about Marx, Frankfurt School, Susan Sontag, and etc. The only thing that doesn't really seem to fit is her token criticisms of blacks (if anyone pays attention, she's pretty enthusiastic about other races) - one can either take that an attempt to fit in the paleo/HBD blogs by being anti-black or a sign that she's willing to part ways with the traditional leftist orthodoxy on the issue of blacks (it wouldn't be unheard of - one of the hidden secrets of the revolutionary left is an often untold animus towards blacks).
What's interesting, of course, is her sort of love/hate relationship with blacks. She freely admits that blacks are dumb and violent but she attributes a whole bunch of undeserved qualities to them - being more attractive (to a point of being a fetish), being more muscular, being better at all athletics, being better musicians, and etc. I wonder if she was raped by a negro and has some sort of perverse fondness of the memory or was beaten by blacks and thinks that having a strong man hurt her is erotic somehow. In a similar vein, she continuously degrades and denigrates white males as being weak, effeminate, and sexually frustrated (because all the manly blacks are taking the white girls and/or stealing them away from whites through). Perhaps any number of things could make her think that way - one of the more obvious ones being that she's a coalburner who enjoys the sexual comfort of black men but is so insecure about it (like most coalburners are) that she lashes out at white men at any opportunity to self-justify her behavior.
I'm not really convinced she is a troll either - she is way too focused and dedicated on her topics of interest for this to be a troll, in my opinion. Most trolls aren't in it for the long haul and wouldn't dedicate the effort to write paragraph after paragraph of neo-Marxist drivel just for a few giggles. Furthermore, her writings come off as things she writes to gain agreement from the audience and to sway them, as opposed to shocking people and causing discord. It is only recently (after 1-2 years of my knowledge of her existence) that people are starting to become more critical of her and calling her out in force. I suppose its possible though.
Good points. I also rejoiced that what they own, with the R signature at the bottom of the bill, could be well under the trillions. But what about what they gave to entities as a form of control or as opportunities for their alike to make more money or gain power? As Transtaafl mentioned, they have sustained princes and crowns, surely they also have sustained their own bussiness through other jewish businesses. The point now becomes: If you evalutate jewish bussiness worldwide, of which a great part is derived from the Rothschilds fortune, you will certainly get over the trillions. If you add, not just the Madoff (in jail), Chelsea Clinton father in Law (5 years in jail) but the political powers who support these businesses, like Sarkozy in France (who stated that anybody that cannot buy a gold watch by 50 is a looser) who is soon to be replaced by Dominik Strauss Kahn, the figure becomes overwhelming.
So you might be right and my question was somehow irrelevant, the R probably own less than a trillion under their name. The real good question becomes how much the jews own and control worldwide, be it under the Rothschild, Sarkozy or Strauss kahn names ?
"Andrea seems to have too many stereotypical feminine traits to be a male"
The "feminine" qualities in his writing are to actual femininity as the "femininity" of drag queens is to that of actual women. It's impossible for me to the mistake two.
But since you need "evidence": he used to post as "Andrei Freiboden" before posting as "Andrea Freiboden". Shortly after someone pointed this out on my blog, he stopped using the name "Freiboden" and deleted the Andrea Freiboden blog -- versions of which then reappeared under the names Andrea Ostrov Letania and Andrea Nyx Hemera. I believe he also posts as "Big bill". He probably started posting as a female partly in hopes of getting more people to pay attention to him, but there are also obvious elements of sexual fetish.
"she comes off to me as being a fairly well-educated college type. I personally imagine her as a fairly bright but rather unattractive feminist - maybe a professor or lecturer of some sort."
Reasonably intelligent, yes. Professor? Not a chance. He strikes me as lifelong underemployed. He's claimed to have worked as a video store clerk, and that sounds about right.
Thanks. I had absolutely no idea that "he" used to post as Andrei. Since you seem to know more about him than I do, I'll defer to your knowledge and wisdom.
I think it would be useful if someone could update that blog that contains quotes of his with these bits of biographical details.
This sort of stuff is very disarming and makes him lose every bit of credibility when presented to new readers.
Occidental Dissent administrator "H. Rock White" approvingly quoted a Facebook note by Freiboden and says he agrees with Freiboden a lot. No wonder OD links to one of Freiboden's sites.
Occidental Dissent administrator "H. Rock White" approvingly quoted a Facebook note by Freiboden and says he agrees with Freiboden a lot. No wonder OD links to one of Freiboden's sites.
Thanks for the heads-up, anon!
*What is wrong with the discernment and better judgement of some of the guys on that otherwise excellent site?
I don't entirely disagree with the points I assume H. Rock White is acceding to. Ultimately, we are in a struggle to secure territory and mates.
I disagree that Freud provides any special insight or that "white nationalists [. . .] spend most of their waking hours worrying about some Negro kicking their butt and stealing their girl".
The largest immediate threat is unfettered immigration by and miscegenation with mestizos. "Andrea" attempts to pathologize those with healthy instincts as feeling personally threatened by "muscled black guys", but the intrusion of fat black guys, dumpy mestizos, or short Asian men on one's territory is equally a net negative that white men have no reason to tolerate -- including assertions that anyone who actually wishes to compete is "afraid of competing".
Incidentally, the average black man is much more angered by seeing a black girl with a white man than the average white man is by the reverse.
The largest immediate threat is unfettered immigration by and miscegenation with mestizos.
Correct, and a close second is White males with Asian females.
As horrifically incongruous and abominable as White female miscegenation is with male Congoids, it is less damaging to our racial integrity as the offspring are considered black and self-identity as black. The offspring of mestizos and Asians with Whites on the other hand are often considered White or close enough and identity with and mate with Whites, thereby our gene pool takes on more non-White ancestry.
I've actually come into contact with more than a few of these couples who considered their hybrid or fully Asian partner White and their offspring White.
Speaking of silly comments from Occidental Dissent:
One of the main differences is Hunter is from the South, so naturally he's going to be more masculine than a Yankee. It's even in their voices, so many of them either have a boyish voice or sound like a queer.
Seriously? All Southerners are more masculine than Northerners?
I must've seen nearly 1,000 of your comments at OD, but I can't ever remember seeing a single comment that was the least bit insightful. You need to recognize that you're grossly out of your element.
One of the main differences is Hunter is from the South, so naturally he's going to be more masculine than a Yankee. It's even in their voices, so many of them either have a boyish voice or sound like a queer.
So Southern masculinity means being obese and having bitch tits?
Here's an interesting comment from that same OD thread:
Also, if Jeffrey Imm is so adept at outing WN’s and publishing their real names then why hasn’t he outed Hunter and crew?
I wonder what the answer to this question could possibly be, especially since "Hunter's" real name is already known. Maybe Imm and "Hunter Wallace" ain't exactly enemies.
I must've seen nearly 1,000 of your comments at OD, but I can't ever remember seeing a single comment that was the least bit insightful. You need to recognize that you're grossly out of your element.
This must be Trainwreck, who likes to repeat nonsense ad nauseam.
Do you normally read a thousand comments from people whom you hate and gain nothing from? You didn't think that through did you.
I recently came across this paper. Not sure whether there's anything particularly interesting or new in here for you, but thought I'd point it out in any case.
So Southern masculinity means being obese and having bitch tits?
Even Southerners that appear fat, sweaty, and unathletic on camera are more masculine than Yankee faggots. Forget niggers, I spend every waking hour worrying that a Southern He-Man will steal my girlfriend.
Reginald says Mark wrote a comment at The Occidental Observer supporting killing police officers. Is the TOO comment by the same Mark who comments at Occidental Dissent, or is it someone else?
The Mark on OD once posted that it would be good to drive the Mexicans in Mexico "into the sea".
The Mark on TOO Blog, undoubtedly the same person given the many parallels in their writing, recently said:
‘The TOO front page has a review of the movie Predators.
There is an image of a Jew wearing a t-shirt with the slogan, “One shot, two kills”, and an image of a pregnant Palestinian woman.
The image on the shirt made me think of a tactic that will most likely appear before long in the struggle here in North America: the killing of pregnant Mexican and Jewish women. That will be especially important along the U. S. – Mexican border as pregnant Mexican women try to make it to the U.S. to drop their litters that will then be “anchor babies”.
This tactic will be used by White marksmen near, and even 40–50 miles inside, the U. S. border and who will be using common deer and elk caliber hunting rifles equipped with either a daytime or a night-vision scope depending on the “hunting" conditions.’
Andrei Freiboden says "a white guy can psychologically feel empowered through 'white guilt'":
"If you're a wasp who loses out to Jews in business and loses out to blacks in sports, 'white guilt' might be therapeutic. Instead of being overcome with bitterness and envy, you can say something like, "we whites ran everything for so long, and we kicked butt so many times, it's time we lost too once in awhile and got our butts kicked too." It works like ointment on an aching butt. Even without political or economic power, a white guy can psychologically feel empowered through 'white guilt'. He can pretend that his loss and defeat was something he himself engineered and/or accepted gracefully out of own goodness of heart and raised consciousness.
For example, take Lawrence O'Donnell, a passionate proponent of interracial relations. We all know white women go with black men cuz black men in greater numbers because black men are winning the TOP STUD CONTEST, whereby white males are becoming irrelevant as icons of male sexuality and prowess. O'Donnell, by making lots of noises about interracial relations, is pretending that the new sexual order has been made possible by a good-hearted and 'progressive anti-racist' fighter such as he. No longer sexually relevant, a wussy white boy is trying to remain politically and morally relevant, as if to suggest, "white women and black men can finally do one another cuz a good, conscientious, and noble white liberal like myself has allowed it to happen." That way, it feels less like LOSING OUT TO THE BLACK MAN and more like DOING A NOBLE PROGRESSIVE FAVOR FOR THE BLACK MAN."
White women form the backbone, politically, as the swing force behind AA.
Not only do they benefit, personally, but the "smart people" aka Celebrities, people on the left, and so on push AA. My latest post delves into that a little. Women love princesses, nobility, aristocracy (look at the vampire novels with aristocracy/hierarchy in all of them) and this banishing of upward White male mobility is catnip for women. It makes "find the Alpha easy."
Moreover, Women mostly prefer darker skinned guys, who are viewed as more masculine, more dominant, more well endowed. Getting rid of the annoying White guy two cubicles over who checks them out with a dominant darker skinned man is a plus for White women.
Does anyone else think that it is at all possible that "Whiskey/Testicle99" and "Andrea Freiboden/Nyx-Hemena/Ostrov-Letania/Middletown Girl/Jawbone Critic/Theya possibly one and the same?!?
Reginald the trolling swarthoid has hit a new low with his mendacity and stupidity, now attempting to libel me with advocating murder. With every comment Reginald makes he shows others how despicable he is.
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature would know that's not me.
I appreciate the support and am glad at least a few people have the courage and wisdom to speak the truth against dark forces such as Reginald.
Nah, no chance. Whiskey may be picking up pointers from "Andrea"'s posts, though.
I suppose n/a, but what is it with the stinkin borderline-homosexual obsession with the negro with the likes of "Whiskey/Testicle99" and "Andrei"??
And, more importantly, why do so many White Nationalists tolerate such sick, nauseating behaviour from the likes of those two creepy degenerates -- polluting so many message and blog boards/forums???
The only person in the history of OD known to have called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans was Mark, who said we should drive them into the sea.
The only person in the history of TOO Blog who has called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans was Mark, who said:
“The TOO front page has a review of the movie Predators.
There is an image of a Jew wearing a t-shirt with the slogan, “One shot, two kills”, and an image of a pregnant Palestinian woman.
The image on the shirt made me think of a tactic that will most likely appear before long in the struggle here in North America: the killing of pregnant Mexican and Jewish women. That will be especially important along the U. S. – Mexican border as pregnant Mexican women try to make it to the U.S. to drop their litters that will then be ‘anchor babies’.
This tactic will be used by White marksmen near, and even 40–50 miles inside, the U. S. border and who will be using common deer and elk caliber hunting rifles equipped with either a daytime or a night-vision scope depending on the ‘hunting’ conditions.”
The chances that the only two posters on these two sites to make such immoderate statements about the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans would both post under the name “Mark” is extremely small.
The chances that the only two posters on these two sites to make such immoderate statements about the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans would both post under the name “Mark” is extremely small.
OK Reginald (or whomever), enough of this speculative sh-t about Mark -- since you do not have any real, meaningful proof regarding your allegations that those comments have definitively been made by him.
I understand that you had an ongoing feud with him (and MGLS) over at OD -- and they were at times rude and condescending to you -- but c'mon, these accusatory and defamatory comments of yours is making us all look bad by your highlighting these borderline-criminal quotes that your posting -- as well as making yourself (or your buddies) look petty.
Just let it go bro -- your an interesting writer and blogger on your own that need not drag yourself down (and again, us) with this gossipy drivel.
For those keeping track: a reader emails a copy of comments by "Andrei Freiboden" that originally appeared at http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/moviereviews/090115/. That link is apparently dead, but I did see the comments there myself when they were first brought to my attention, so there's no question of their authenticity (and reading them, there's no question the author is the same who later posted as "Andrea").
Che was a psychopath, pure and pimple. But then, so was Jesus in his own way. People think Jesus was all love and peace. But, Jesus wanted God to come down and kill almost all the people except a select few. When he said 'meek shall inherit the earth', he meant there will come a day when God shall return and spare the meek while killing all the freaks and geeks.
Che was a nutter. There were Japanese militarist loons who said ALL Japanese should die gloriously and honorably with the emperor. Even after two nukes, they were opposed to surrendering. They preferred US nuked all of Japan so that all Japanese could be one in pokemon heaven with Hirohito. But, Hirohito said I aint no hero and am hito stay. So, Japan was spared.
Che wasn't even Cuban, but he was willing to sacrifice all Cuban men, women, and children in a nuclear holocaust in the name of 'revolutionary sacrifice'. Like all Marxist 'egalitarian' revolutionaries, he was megalomaniac and saw himself as god-like. Of course, he wanted the US invasion because it would justify Castro and himself to shoot nukes at US as well. That so many Americans revere this lowlife is shocking. Jewish Americans--most of whom are liberal or leftist--love him most. Amy Taubin and J Hoberman peed in their pants over this movie. They love some guy who wanted to nuke NY, the Jewish capital of the world. Jewish leftists love their freedom and privilege in bourgeois America but also love to show off their reckless, 'selfless', progressive, and radical credentials by embracing nuts like Che--at least rhetorically. Also, if Che has been fat, bald, and ugly, would he so popular among the left today? So much for egalitarianism! It's Calvin Klein meets Marxism--rather like Matrix movies.
Also, Soderbooger is an idiot. In Film Comment, he says it was no big deal that Che killed prisoners in La Cabana since guys like Truman killed many more--in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But, Truman's actions, though horrible, were wartime decisions to bring war to an end. When Che killed his prisoners, his side had already won. The prisoners were utterly in his mercy. He killed them gratuitously because he enjoyed it--like the Gian Maria Volonte character in For a Few Dollars More.
Also, I'm sick of the liberal PBS crap about Cuba. Most Cubans who fled from Castro had NOTHING to do with the mafia or CIA or Batista. Most left AFTER the revolution. Indeed, most had intended to stay and even welcomed the revolution as the hope for true democracy for Cubans. Indeed, contrary to popular myth, Castro's victory could not have been possible without urban bourgeois support. There were many middle class and even upper class folks in government and other institutions who helped the guerillas and subverted Batista's rule from within. But, once Castro took power, he wanted all the power, all the wealth, all the truth, all the whatever. That's when the mass exodus from Cuba took place. But, you won't get this from the liberal Jewish-dominated media in America. For the liberal Jews in America, it was evil for Hitler to dispossess German Jews in the name of German masses, but it was wonderful for Castro to dispossess the Cuban middle class--mostly honest small businessmen--in the name of 'social justice'. Even gazillionaires like Barbara Walters schmoozed up to Castro. Carole King sang, "you've got a friend" to Castro.
And, today's rich privileged yuppies who own most of the nation's wealth put on fancy radical airs. It's like they want all the money and all the moral narcissism.
I'll give Che this. He 'played his strings right to the end'. In this regard, he was heroic in the way Osama Bin Laden has been--though, of course, evil. Now, how many rich leftist Jewish and gentile yuppies in America have the guts to do what Che did? Zero. They want their SUVs, nice condos, nightly trips to fancy eateries, and etc. Feeling compromised and all-too-bourgeois, they need the Che posters and Godard films to feel oh-so-radical-and-pure. If they really care for the poor masses, why don't they go live in Englewood and mix with the 'oppressed' and share their wealth? Who's stopping them? Bush and Cheney? I thought Chicago was totally run by Democrats. Yet, I see all those progressive whites living up in the gated communities in the North Side by the lake with their art galleries and fancy eateries. Okay, so Facets has commie posters on the wall. If Facets is for the poor, why not go relocate in Englewood? No, it caters to the rich yuppies who wanna take in an 'art film' after they've just spent $100 at a fancy eatery. And, it's not kids of working class Americans who are into Che. It's the kids of the rich. What a bunch of phonies. If Soderbooger really loves Che, I say we take all of his wealth and spread it around. Stupid punk.
Che was a nutter and a psychopath. What sane person during the Cuban Missile Crisis would hope that it would lead to US invasion so Cubans could shoot nukes at Miami and NY, with US shooting missiles back on Cuba? That is not crazy? I suppose you think Osama is sane too. At least, Obama knocked down two towers. Che wanted to blow up the entire city.
What was Che's idea of a good society? He visited North Korea, the most psychotic of communist slave states, and said it was 'most impressive'.
Also, he said a revolutionary must 'hate, hate, hate', and be 'a cold killing machine'. Also, like Mao, he exulted in and romanticized violence. He was an Argentinian but he meddled in the affairs of other nations--in Africa too.
He was also a naive fool. He had a cops vs robbers view of the world where US was evil while commies were good. He bowed to a photo of Stalin--mass murderer of 20 million--everyday in the 1950s.
You say Che cared for the poor. Well, so did Mao and Pol Pot. So did Jim Jones. So, did Hitler, who accused Jews of exploiting the German masses. Hitler gave Germans universal healthcare and full employment because he cared sooooo much about the poor and hated 'exploitation' of by Jewish capitalists. And, Osama Bin Laden, he sure cares about the poor Muslims oppressed by 'neo-imperialists'. So, why don't you wear an Osama t-shirt? (Indeed, some Muslims do.)
Anyway, what did communism and third worldism ever do for the poor? Nothing. It made them poorer. In many cases, it killed far many more of them than European imperialists ever did. The french in Indochina were saints compared to Vietnamese commies who pushed innocent people into the open sea--where a million perished--or the Khmer Rouge, who killed 2 million out of 7 million in the name of utopianism and 'social justice'. Lovely!
And, notice that all these psychos and nutters--Che, Mao, Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc--all sought absolute godlike power by proclaiming to feel for the poor. And, in the name of the poor, they gained total power, total ownership of nation, total influence, and make themselves into gods.
Well, if Che is someone you admire, than you should admire Osama Bin Laden too. He's an Islamo-Marxist who stood up for the Muslim masses against global Zionist-dominated imperialism, right? And, Hamas is noble too for it cares for poor Palestinians crushed by Zionists backed by imperialist US. Why don't you buy a Hamas coffee cup?
Now, let's follow your logic, Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater. You say Che was good because he stood up to USA, the premier imperialist nation. Since US is imperialist, the people who are most successful, powerful, and influential in the US must be MOST imperialist. Who are they? Aren't they American Jews who own/control most or much of the media, Hollywood, law, academia, government, economy, etc?
This is what kills me. Jews, who are the MOST cutthroat capitalist and wealthy(and powerful)people in America make the most noise about how they are for 'social justice'. They make their millions or billions, and then support a puppet like Obama and then act like they are the spiritual heirs of Che. Liberal Jews act according to Ayn Rand but then put on airs of Karl Marx. Just look at Hollywood. The most ruthless form of capitalism in the world yet always acting like it's in the trenches with Castro and John Reed.
Hey sicki Nicki, I was comparing Che with Osama. Che was a hateful lunatic radical scumbag who wanted to nuke US cities, and Osama is a hateful lunatic radical scumbag who would like to bomb more US cities. It's sad that people who think 9/11 was bad revere Che Guevera who didn't just want to ram a plane into buildings but incinerate entire cities.
"with the stinkin borderline-homosexual obsession with the negro with the likes of "Whiskey/Testicle99" and "Andrei"??"
I took a stab at answering that question here. That's not a perfect or comprehensive answer, but I think a lot of it does come down to various sorts of intra-racial competition, along with rationalizations of personal failure.
For example, Whiskey sees that women are more attracted to other (white) men than to him. (As I recall, his whining originally focused entirely on white women's attraction to white "alphas".) This bothers him greatly. But if he can elevate black men to a position of special/extreme attractivness, this then renders the distance between him and more attractive white men less significant -- makes it so he can say to himself (or try to convince other white men): you may be more attractive than me, but women are only really attracted to black men.
Or it may also give him an excuse not to try with women. If he's uncomfortable talking to women, he can tell himself the depraved bitches don't want him anyway; and since women are only attracted to the "hunkiest thugs ever" it's not his fault and there's nothing he can do to change the situation, relieving himself of any sense of guilt or responsibility for his failure with women.
Reginald: The only person in the history of OD known to have called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans was Mark, who said we should drive them into the sea.
Reginald is not only a mendacious bastard as MGLS pointed out, which Reginald clearly proves over and over again, but Reginald is a willful and delusional mendacious bastard. He isn't interested in the truth at all, the truth just gets in his way. He tries to make others believe that someone else named "mark," notice the lowercase, must be me, because no one else with that name posts on the internet.
Instead of apologizing for his libel, or just letting it go, he continues with his unscrupulous and defamatory deceit.
I've never called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans. What I have called for is the recolonization of Latin America by people of Northern European descent, since that is what Latin American mestizos are attempting to do to us now.
I see that a moderator at OD has unjustly deleted my response to Reginald's libel while leaving his libel up. Whoever that moderator is should be reprimanded and immediately removed of his authority as he is in gross violation.
There's a new post at OD about smears... well there is smearing going on against me at their own blog and being protected by their moderator. It's outrageous and shameful.
Women prefer HARD Ghetto guys over White beta losers any day of the week. Women love thugs, and Black/Hispanic guys do thug better than anyone else. White guys if they want to get in the game will have to thug it up HARD to keep up.
As for the Father, any attempt to put the kid in his place would have gotten his ass whipped. Kid was Mexican, and a thug. He’s got immunity to whip the Father’s ass, while Dad has to watch what he says before he gets his ass kicked and put in jail besides.
My guess in the multicultural future, most White guys will have to pump iron, learn some kind of martial art, and carry, carry, carry. Be willing to shoot it out and book, whenever and wherever. So its a self-solving problem — those that don’t get wiped out.
Women will be happy — women would rather live in mud and starvation but with bad boy thugs, than safety and security and boring betas.
The obsession with alleged black masculinity seems to be found more on borderline HBD blogs than white nationalist sites. A lot of HBDers aren't really pro-white either.
The obsession with alleged black masculinity seems to be found more on borderline HBD blogs than white nationalist sites. A lot of HBDers aren't really pro-white either.
Since when did juvenile psychopathy become the standard for masculinity. "Real men" are supposed to act like violent, drug-addled rapists with the mental age of a child? It's absurd.
The HBD community seems to treat Sailer as the godfather, so it definitely has a bias towards Jews, Mongoloids and Negroids.
The HBD-sphere seems to be full of high-IQ but woefully insecure white males for whom the constant obsession with "beta white male losers" seems to be a lot of self-projection.
See here for proof: http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/07/adult-virgins.html
Their way of accepting their own insecurity is to create this sort of mythical vision of the "alpha male" as embodied by black men who are always stronger and sexually preferable as mates (neither of which are true) and then dragging down normal, healthy white people into their mud of despair and insecurity (witness Guy Weiss, Andrei Freiboden, Whiskey99). Perhaps being beat up by blacks contributes to it, I don't know.
This sort of envy and resentment of normal white males that Whiskey and Andrei Freiboden engage in smacks of the same sort of resentment that you see these short wimpy effeminate Jews engage in when they belittle the white working class and their values. I'm not saying they're Jews, just pointing out that their psychopathy targeted towards white males seems very similar.
There is also the discussion of the "game" cult - the people centered around Roissy who paint themselves as some kind of counter-feminists but are in reality engaged in a version of feminism for men - a libertine view of sexuality that rejects traditional sexual roles, traditional marital values, and promotes irresponsibility and disregard for the outcomes of a relationship. This hooks in to the false dichotomy of the alpha and beta male (as described above) in which the most revered type of male is the one who has absolutely no responsibility and invests nothing in his children. They then have the audacity to claim that science somehow backs up their views (which it doesn't). Really, "game" is just a bunch of groupthink to justify the sociopathic sexual frustrations of people who are the most deserving of a "beta male" classification.
The HBD community seems to treat Sailer as the godfather, so it definitely has a bias towards Jews, Mongoloids and Negroids. - Mark
I had an e-mail exchange with Sailer one time regarding the whole "Freiboden" sham, asking him why he keeps letting "Andrea" post under, like, a zillion different handles, even alluding to the fact that "she" is most likely a male homosexual internet troll, and he did not only seem to care, but thought he/she/it was a "great" movie "critic" and a "keen observer" of "physical asthetics".
Needless to say, I began to suspect his (Sailer's) sexual orientation at this point.
As well, I always found his palling around with the likes of the porn-addicted, anti-White and, especially anti-Nordish degenerates "razib" and "recman1" utterly disgusting.
Please dear readers - stop letting Sailer get away with his not-so-infrequent forays into the dark side.
Women prefer HARD Ghetto guys over White beta losers any day of the week. Women love thugs, and Black/Hispanic guys do thug better than anyone else. White guys if they want to get in the game will have to thug it up HARD to keep up.
As for the Father, any attempt to put the kid in his place would have gotten his ass whipped. Kid was Mexican, and a thug. He’s got immunity to whip the Father’s ass, while Dad has to watch what he says before he gets his ass kicked and put in jail besides.
What's your stupid point?
(Actually, this sounds like typical, boilerplate "Freiboden" degeneracy here.)
(Actually, this sounds like typical, boilerplate "Freiboden" degeneracy here.)
Sorry for attacking you dude, I didn't know that you were quoting the uber-dork "Whiskey" (next time, be sure to make it clearer that you are quoting something as degenerate as that).
No country in Europe is more anti-Semitic than Sweden, which has whole-heartedly supported Palestinians since 1948, and actively collaborated with the Nazis in WWII.
No nation has more restrictive laws on publishing "hate facts" than Sweden, where an epidemic of rape of Swedish native girls by Muslim immigrants cannot by law be discussed. Indeed, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden are notoriously anti-Semitic. To the point where Swastikas are openly displayed, without consequence, and signs exhorting another "Final Solution" are routine. The few synagoges in these places must have armed guards at all times. Jews are routinely assaulted by both natives and Muslims in those nations. [Iceland during WWII had a strong pro-Nazi movement suppressed by the US Military.]
Blaming Jews for the anti-White hatred endemic in European nations (and European derived such as America) is a self-defeating conspiracy theory. That looks for the scapegoats and solves nothing.
Anti-White racism boils down to one uncomfortable truth: male (and female) attractiveness are not evenly distributed among races like every other human attribute.
Black, and to a lesser extent Hispanic, men are more attractive to women of all races than White and Asian men. Bruce Lee famously fretted over his build and worked out like crazy (perhaps provoking his stroke) to get that hooded back look. Asian men are considered "herby" and effeminate, Whites only less so. Black men are viewed more masculine, as are Muslim ME men and Hispanic men.
Since when are squat brown mestizo men attractive to tall blonde-haired white women? LMAO.
Seriously that's even more retarded than the crap Andrei Freiboden spews out.
On a slightly related note, here is an article in Time discussing basically how the alpha/male dichotomy is false: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2007250,00.html?xid=rss-fullhealthsci-yahoo
We see that it's not dominance but rather a kin-based relationship.
As it turns out, this research was based on a faulty premise: wolves in the wild, says L. David Mech, founder of the Minnesota-based International Wolf Center, actually live in nuclear families, not randomly assembled units, in which the mother and father are the pack leaders and their offspring's status is based on birth order. Mech, who used to ascribe to alpha-wolf theory but has reversed course in recent years, says the pack's hierarchy does not involve anyone fighting to the top of the group, because just like in a human family, the youngsters naturally follow their parents' lead.
Since when are squat brown mestizo men attractive to tall blonde-haired white women? LMAO.
Since never, a Nordic woman could easily best an Aztec mongrel in combat.
People like Freiboden and other negrophiles create fantasies of non-Whites because they have little or no exposure to them. Having gone to school with blacks and mestizos I can tell you that they are typically just as effete as any White nerd if not more so, they're just better at pretense. Blacks and mestizos operate more as pack animals, they will only fight you with the assistance of their friends. Even then they pick on the weakest, like a predator. They are inherent cowards.
If such a thing was universal you'd have to wonder why Asian females prefer White guys, especially Nordish guys.
When you discount the irrational behavior of younger women, and look at what late 20s and 30s women prefer, you will see it's White men.
Since when did juvenile psychopathy become the standard for masculinity. "Real men" are supposed to act like violent, drug-addled rapists with the mental age of a child? It's absurd.
Absolutely correct.
Let's never forget as well that "Roissy" is a mentally ill sexual degenerate who fools a lot of other mentally ill sexual degenerates with his (largely) fake, on-line "persona".
Thanks to the people who posted those comments from various "HBD" sites - that sort of negrophilia is common on those sites and indicative of what a sewer "HBD" is.
I don't know where people get this idea that the HBD blogosphere is somehow "good for whites." It is and has from the beginning been led by degenerates and anti-white trolls from the beginning. Unz, Sailer, Razib and Roissy - wow, what a collection.
HBD exists not for our benefit but rather as another false opposition to divert attention away from explicitly white, revolutionary ethno-nationalism.
"HBD exists not for our benefit but rather as another false opposition to divert attention away from explicitly white, revolutionary ethno-nationalism."
Interesting. Would you say the same applies to the "Manosphere" (as typified by The Spearhead) and to the "anti-SWPL" community (as typified by HalfSigma)?
“Still another [flaw of paleoconservatism] is a widespread reduction of history to an ethnic grudge match, attempting to elevate Anglophobia to a conservative principle, which it is not. This Anglophobia is frequently manifest in another paleoconservative preoccupation: revisionist history.”
From the endnotes:
“46. Indeed, considering that England was the civilizational father, demographic mother, and template of America, and that America’s history, civilization, and culture therefore make no sense apart from England, the Anglophobia frequently seen in paleoconservatism is baffling.”
"Attarian" doesn't sound very Nordic to me. Sounds Armenian. Does the Occidental Quarterly consider former subjects of the Ottomans to be their in-group?
The Ottoman Empire was very large. It included an extremely large chunk of Europe, even including part of what is now Austria, along with areas that are very close to being in Europe, and some other areas like Egypt that are quite far from Europe.
Does the Occidental Quarterly consider former subjects of the Ottomans to be their in-group?
It is a bit of a contradiction, they're using the Occident as America is said to be a proposition nation. Just believe in these values and presto you're Occidental!
White has now expanded to West Asia and North Africa.
They wonder why Nordicism exists, considering the standards for White it's absolutely necessary. Reminds me of the bumper sticker "President Nixon. Now more than ever." "Nordicism. Now more than ever!"
ROME — Italy's fabled "Latin lovers" are missing the mark with foreign belles, according to a poll released on Sunday that said nearly four in five women tourists were unmoved by Italian men's charms.
Seventy-nine percent said they would not fall for an Italian, with many saying they lacked cheerfulness and a sense of humour (51 percent), while others complained they were childish (49 percent).
Another reason for the lack of attraction is that today's Italian men show more of their feminine than their masculine side, according to 57 percent of the 1,000 women polled by tourist and gastronomy magazine Vie del Gusto.
More vintage "Andrei's Freebottom" homo-eroticism of black males pretending to be pro-White and being "concerned" with the "White male psychology" -
I don't much care about black performing well in sports. Let them make their millions. But, I do care about black violence in the streets and public places(largely due to black arrogance that they do whatever cuz they are tougher and no one's gonna do anything about it), and I don't like the impact this bio-social reality has on white male psychology which either spins into Ken-Burns-like Negro-worshiping liberalism or resentful caste-football-clinging white supremacism(to suppress feelings of inferioritism) of the far right.
Andrei keeps kvetching about the Caste Football website but when pressed on what he objects to specifically, he can't name anything.
Andrei always falls apart during debate which is why he blocked my account on Facebook and now refuses to answer my responses to his negrophilic sophistry on Alt Right.
More "profound" "wisdom" from AltRight's greatest Zionist internet trannie - "Theya"
Victim mentality is often tiring, but there's a lot on the white right too. After all, much of what we say goes like this: "help, the blacks are raping our women; help, the Jews are castrating our men; help, the Mexicans are coming to take our jobs and commit child rape; help, the globalists are out to destroy our nation; help, the socialists are out to take away our freedom, etc, etc." Many on the Right portray themselves as victims of Franz Boas, Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Frankfurt School, Hollywood, Wall Street, Harvard, MSM, you name it.
Kievsky thinks not mentioning race and "using our ready made Rush Limbaugh talking points" is the way to save our race. "Mangina" is Kievsky's new favorite word.
OD's About page before: "Occidental Dissent is a White Nationalist website. We support the creation of a Jew-free, racially exclusive White ethnostate in North America. We also advocate the ideal of White racial and cultural preservation in Europe and throughout the Western world."
OD's About page now: "Unfashionable Observations on the American Scene."
These developments on OD are not surprising. "Hunter Wallace" is a subversive. He's there to undermine WN from within. Just look at his past, and then take a careful look at what he is doing today. It is not difficult to see this.
Black men have the most ripped muscular bodies by far.
If the question is: what is the best form of exercise?; then all you have to do is go to the urban areas of the country and ask the men thee what they do.
What I don't understand is why black men have the best male bodies but there women are usually dumpy wheres white women have the best female bodies but white men are soft and spindly.
Its incredibly comical how something that could and should be honorable objective scientific enquiry (HBDism) has turned into essentially a negrophilic and homoerotic circlejerk.
You have a bunch of wimpy, socially insecure, often virginal, white male losers (not to be confused with normal healthy white males) with a very unhealthy erotic obsession with black male physiques and project their personal insecurities upon everyone else by denigrating normal healthy white people as if everyone else is a skinny dorky virginal loser like they are.
Royal scumbag Glenn Beck just did a segment on his show dissing Charles Davenport and Madison Grant. He was comparing eugenicists who "thought they knew what was best for people" with socialized health care proponents who also "think they know what's best for you". He also compared eugenicists to someone I'd never heard of from the 70's who advocated putting some drug in the water supply that would sterilize people as a means of population control. The segment reminded me of another phony opposition sleazeball, Alex Jones, who frequently rants about how the NWO elites want to bring back eugenics.
Glenn Beck is a bit of a negrophile himself. I flipped past him one time and caught him going on at length about "our black forefathers." Hey, speak for yourself there, Sparky. What a joke that guy is.
Beck, Limbaugh, Jones and others like them are sensationalists, they're there to entertain the masses and get rich.
“In [Emmanuel Faye’s] account (which should be taken as suggestive rather than authoritative), the [Nazi] party, in the year after the revolution, divided into two camps vis-à-vis racial matters: the camp of the Nordicists and that of the Germanists.
The Nordicists were led by Hans K. Günther, a former philologist, and had a “biologist” notion of race, based on evolutionary biology, which sought, through eugenics, to enhance the “Nordic blood” in the German population.”
I would be a much bigger supporter of eugenics than I am now if I thought that it could really be effective at enhancing the amount of Nordic blood in a population. But I doubt that you could ever get many people to support a eugenics program that selected for a Nordic phenotype nowadays. People just don’t care that much about phenotype as long as everyone can be called mostly white. This is unfortunate because Nordicbloodcontinues to disappear.
It's difficult to get non-Nordics to support Nordicism much like asking non-Whites to support White nationalism. Especially when non-Nordic men want access to Nordic women, as non-White men want White women.
What's surprising is how little value many if not most so-called White nationalists have in race beyond the generic White label. They're really not racialists at all, they're more male chauvinists. If there's going to be any miscegenation they want to be in charge of it like the Latin Americans.
You're right in that "alphaness" is surely higher amongst black males. But that's not at all the point of the ad. They're not making some empirically based statement on the sexual and racial preferences of American females.
I normally don't read garbage HBD blogs like his, especially the comment section, but I wanted to see his comment. Yeah, what a sick bastard, and it's such BS. How many black men has this guy ever known, probably a few from work or school.
Those blogs seem to fixate on proving biological differences with perversion and positive stereotyping of non-Whites while denigrating White men.
Negroes are not alphas, what nonsense, they've been enslaved since ancient times.
Good grief, how disgusting those HBD blogs are. If HBD ever had promise, it has become a hotbed of perverts and liars now. And if the creepy nerds who frequent these sites are the only people we are losing to racialism then perhaps we can consider HBD a blessing in disguise.
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Nordish as defined by Richard McCulloch is practical and has a broader appeal. - Mark
I started reading McCullough's work in 2008 and liked it a great deal. Considering that the majority of the American white population is still Nordish, I find it strange that McCullough hasn't caught on among American racialists - really, who has a better framework than he? His is probably the most workable racialist political vision for the America of today and it doesn't compromise much in terms of science either.
HBD needs more science and less garbage like "alpha male" and "beta male" (which is fallacious to use in the context of humans, as scientists only use these terms when it comes to pack animals).
If these socially inept virgins are not able to score chicks, that's reflective on their own inadequacies, not everyone else who isn't black.
The reason why black men "score" so often is because they're unable to maintain the type of relationships that are normal for whites - they simply go from one woman to the next. That's hardly indicative of "alphaness" or anything else that's praiseworthy.
I'd like to see one of these "game" tards just try to mount a scientific defense of their worldview. They can't, of course.
The reason why black men "score" so often is because they're unable to maintain the type of relationships that are normal for whites - they simply go from one woman to the next. That's hardly indicative of "alphaness" or anything else that's praiseworthy.
First thing you must recognize is blacks are pretentious braggarts, the "truth" to them is just a lie others haven't found out about yet.
Hey, if White nerds went after dogs and fatties they'd score a lot more too. The White nerd thinks he deserves a woman way out of his league.
I think there's something to relative status as well. Say a White nerd can't get a hot White chick but he may be able to get an Asian chick perceived to be higher status among Asians. Same may apply to White women and black men. Lisa Lampanelli, a comedian, is known for her raunchy style, interracial jokes and personal degeneracy. She claims she dates black men because she can't get an attractive White guy.
People who engage in miscegenation are defective.
What's funny is OneSTD and other HBDers are more offended by my racialism than all of that disgusting negrophilia. Those people are out of their minds.
"scientists only use these terms when it comes to pack animals" More "used", in the past tense. It was found to be based on an inaccurate theory of wolves based on unrepresentative behavior in captivity.
I don't really read enough of Sailer to make a judgement call on him (he writes a lot - so one really has to pay attention and digest a lot of material). On a daily basis, I see very little from Sailer that makes me suspect that he's in the same league as Freiboden, Whiskey, or OneSTDV, but that's just my $.02.
Generally, I see playing up black abilities in certain areas like sprinting or basketball as a PC / non-racist way of talking about HBD / race differences. It's easier and more acceptable to ask questions about why blacks dominate (some sport) than it is to ask why whites are better at (anything else).
I'm not sure how the HBD community went from talking about black sprinters to obsessing about black genitalia and outright lying about black abilities. It's incredibly bizarre and quite frankly embarrassing.
How can you show HBD websites to people you'd like to convert when the comments and posts are littered with people like Whiskey and Freiboden talking about the genitalia of black men in an essentially homoerotic context?
I'm starting to think that at least some of the negrophilia out there is being perpetuated as a design to instill insecurity in the readership (nerdy, virginal white males) and also as a way of distracting and derailing the discussion (How many times has Andrei Freiboden derailed a topic on Alt Right with talks about black men ?).
Here's a thought, maybe Andrei Freiboden = Razib Khan. Both seem to have an obsession with black males and their genitals. Both seem to harbor a resentment towards white males, especially WN's.
n/a, I think you nailed it when you said that guys who promote the idea of white women wanting blacks over white men are doing so to explain away their own failings with white women. If they convince themselves that their own failures are due to an external reason(white women not wanting white men), then they will feel better about themselves because it isn't their fault. Here's another example: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1164144&postcount=45 (and several others in the same thread)
I haven't looked at vnnforum in a while, but I suspect the poster you identified (and probably "balancedben" in the same thread) is a troll who has posted obsessively on that theme using dozens of different handles. "Amy Sikowski" is one of his other names that sticks in my mind. I once entertained the thought that he had some connection to Andrei, but his style is too distinctive and consistent over a period of years for them to be the same person. Most likely the vnnforum troll is a Richard Warman type.
Nope, not lying and definitely not paying for it. I plan on marrying any woman I damn well please. Maybe it'll be one of your female relations, in which case you won't do anything about it aside from whine on the internet.
Cool story bro. Contrary to your bullshit, our women do not like effeminate Asian geeks like you. Especially when said geek also is insecure, has an arrogant streak, icky perversion and a simian countenance.
"One of the manifestations of this jealousy of the fair skin of the Nordics is shown in those numerous cases where members of the colored races, or even dark-skinned members of the Nordic regard the possession of a blonde woman as an assertion and proof of race equality. This has been true historically since the earliest times. It is more than ever in evidence at the present day."
Madison Grant. The Conquest of a Continent; or, The expansion of races in America. New York, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1933. p. 15.
An effeminate lisper scribbling comments online flaunting his supposed sex life calls to mind "agnostic". It's safe to say GNXPers are in no danger of reproducing.
From another site, a piercing comment about Newamul:
Funny story about Razib. I was at Half Sigma’s blog once reading the comments when there was no censorship. Someone had posted a comment that started "Say you meet a woman..." Razib responded with something like "You have to understand, for many of Sigma’s readers meeting a woman is a hypothetical fantasy : )" Somebody named Henry responded with something like:
"Razib, I’ve seen you around different blogs insulting different readers along these lines. I don’t know why you do this and I really doubt that you’re one to talk. I saw you on BloggingHeads. My God, your voice and demeanor were absolutely painful to watch. You strike me as the ultimate Hindoo beta, who never touched a girl’s hand until working with her in the lab in Organic Chem 400."
The post was much better written than that. Unfortunately, Sigma took it down.
Months later, I saw Razib try to overcompensate for the insult at a blog post on TakiMag. Robert Stacy McCain wrote an article about redheads and how we’re all interested in whether their hair is natural. Khan responded "If a girl is natural, it doesn’t mean the interior matches. Going by personal data." Yea, I bet!
Another time, after the Mark Sanford thing, Razib wrote on TakiMag "The issue isn’t the fact that the guy had a hard breakup, we’ve all had those, but..."
He’s the most pathetic kind of beta. He throws tidbits about getting laid into his conversations to prove to the listener that he does. I’ve seen this kind of behavior in average IQ betas in real life, but Razib is the only I’ve seen one who needs that kind of validation talking on the internet. I’d bet my life saving he’s a virgin. Check him out on BloggingHeads and see.
From MR: I don’t think that I need to say much more about how well Razib writes and how suitable he is for writing on genetics and social policy or web designing. His shallowness shows in his redirecting HTTP referrers from MR to a filthy porn site showing mentally ill white women having sex with Negroes; he can’t win a debate with us and this is the best he can do.
We see more of his degenerate, spiteful behavior here.
Considering what a dark-skinned, ugly, effeminate subhuman this Razib creature is, I doubt he could even score with one of his fellow swarthoids. Just another mendacious third-world troll.
Mrs. Pitman, who is the photography critic for the Times of London, reports that brunettes have wanted to be blondes since at least Classical times. The ancient Greeks, for example, clearly thought blonde women were the most beautiful. The poet Homer described the goddess Athena as having gray eyes and Aphrodite, the goddess of love, as having blonde hair. One of the most famous and most visited sculptures of the ancient world was the Aphrodite of Knidos, sculpted by Praxiteles in 360 B.C. She had blonde hair — the Greeks painted their statues, so there was no mistake about this — as did the myriad copies of this statue that decorated the temples, gardens, and villas of the Greek city-states. Pliny the Elder wrote that people traveled great distances to marvel at this beautiful and even erotic sculpture. One man was so overcome with desire for the blonde Aphrodite, that late one night he sneaked into the temple to be alone with the statue: “He embraced it intimately; and a stain bears witness to his lust.” ...
Mrs. Pitman reports that the Romans were no less enamored of blonde hair than the Greeks. They, too, portrayed their goddess of love, Venus, with light skin and blonde hair. The Romans had long known of the fair-haired Celts, and military conquests in Gaul and Britain brought them in contact with even more Celtic and Germanic tribes. The result was a wave of blonde envy among the aristocratic ladies of Rome, an envy no doubt prompted by the admiration Roman men showed for the fair-haired women of the north. Roman women took to wearing blonde wigs, made from the hair of captured or slain northern European women, or dyed their own hair blonde with expensive saffron dyes. Other bleaching agents included such things as sapo (goat’s fat mixed with beechwood ashes), Batavian pomade (a dying soap), lees (sediment of wine or vinegar), and pigeon dung.
"Internet celebrity" has its benefits. It certainly pays more sexual dividends than what you're relegated to: social invisibility in real life and anonymity on the internet.
But what are you going to do about it? What can you do about it, besides type away at your keyboard and whine like a little bitch? Nothing. Because you're a pussy.
Evolution has fucked you up more than Mark ever could. You taunt your racial superiors because you're bitter about the immutability of being a mud, and you realize that, no matter with whom you mate, you will pass that on to your kids. Look on the bright side, though- maybe they won't be lisping faggots.
Hahaha, "mud". It's been years since I saw that word. You guys are fucking oldschool.
Really, I can sympathize. The older generation of WNs is seeing their turf being invaded from all sides.
HBDers have of course siphoned away many intelligent people, who in the past would have been the intelligentsia of the WN movement.
Spearhead-type men's rights activists are directing white male anger towards white females, rather than towards a white nationalist fervor.
And last but not least, the widespread acceptance of the "SWPL" term has redirected a lot of conservatives' ire from just Jews towards a now clearly-identifiable wider group of mostly white gentile leftists.
And last but not least, the widespread acceptance of the "SWPL" term has redirected a lot of conservatives' ire from just Jews towards a now clearly-identifiable wider group of mostly white gentile leftists.
Sorry, but I don't think many people are buying this crap, despite the efforts of Jews like HalfSigma, Whiskey, and Mencius Moldbug to promote it nonstop.
Other Anonymous guy: I think your appraisals indicate that you're a bit sheltered. Perhaps a trip through In Mala Fide's extensive blogroll would be enlightening for you.
And that reminds, I forgot to mention Roissy and the entire "PUASphere". Though that gang is closely related to the MRAs, just mixing in lust with their resentment.
Razib's chimpout is hilarious. I didn't even think he wasted his time here. I guess our worldview isn't so easy to dismiss after all.
All of this sexual frustration from him just because I accused him of being Andrei Freiboden (admittedly half joking at the time).
C'mon, I know one of you guys is just pulling our chain here by impersonating him. He can't really be this big of a loser and sexually insecure nerd, can he?
The most hilarious irony of all re: Razib's nerd-rage apoplectic fit is that the supposedly "great intellect" resorts to a tried-and-true formula: The "muh dik" post. True colors, and all that.
Perhaps a trip through In Mala Fide's extensive blogroll would be enlightening for you.
In Mala Fide is another uninteresting writer like Half Sigma and Guy White whose mission in life appears to be making HBD safe for Jews.
Steve Sailer remains the king of HBD and he's gotten more critical of the Jews over time (in his own passive-aggressive way of course), so I don't see Jews as dominating this area of discourse yet.
HBDers have of course siphoned away many intelligent people, who in the past would have been the intelligentsia of the WN movement.
Spearhead-type men's rights activists are directing white male anger towards white females, rather than towards a white nationalist fervor.
And last but not least, the widespread acceptance of the "SWPL" term has redirected a lot of conservatives' ire from just Jews towards a now clearly-identifiable wider group of mostly white gentile leftists.
And that reminds, I forgot to mention Roissy and the entire "PUASphere". Though that gang is closely related to the MRAs, just mixing in lust with their resentment.
A forthright admission that the "HBD", "men's rights", and "anti-SWPL" "movements" are fervently hostile to the interests of Euros.
"HBD" consists of philosemites, asiaphiles, and negrophiles attempting to swindle Euros into believing their interests coincide with those of Jews and Asians.
"Men's rights"/"Game"/"PUASphere" seeks to drive a wedge of hatred and hostility between white men and white women.
HBDers are shockingly ill-informed about the history of the scientific study of race. They seem to think the study of heredity and racial differences is brand new and began with Charles Murray, Richard Herrnstein, Arthur Jensen, Steve Sailer, and Half Sigma.
Apparently they have never heard of people like Francis Galton, Charles Davenport, Harry Laughlin, Eugen Fischer, etc.
Well, the SWPL concept was pioneered by Christian Lander who, judging by his first name, is no Jew.
But you could say that it has, inadvertently, taken the heat off of Jews by socially constructing a sort of new ethny ("the whiter people") with distinctive and instantly identifiable characteristics.
Essentially, the old WN mantra of "Name the Jew!" is replaced with "Name the SWPL!". Instead of looking for hooked noses, we look for horn-rimmed glasses.
Some assertions made by Scotch-Irish "Whiskey": said the "WASP-Harvard mafia" controls Hollywood; said Irish/Celtic raconteurs are more responsible for the diversity racket than Jews; called Susan Sontag and Norman Mailer "SWPL yuppies"; said the Weather underground was made up of "privileged WASPs", not Jews; constantly denigrates white men and white women; constantly hypes the masculinity of black males; heaped praise upon Jewish women, Jewish men, and Jewish mothers-in-law; constantly says bombing Iran is of vital importance.
Well, the SWPL concept was pioneered by Christian Lander who, judging by his first name, is no Jew.
It's hardly an original concept. "Bobos" (bourgeois bohemians) has been a term for a while. In any case, if you read Lander's stuff, it's mainly just observational humor - there is not some great hostility to "SWPLs" in it. It was Jews like Whiskey, Half Sigma, and Moldbug (and you, I take it) that have been trying to turn it into a big anti-White thing.
Before, I could have almost believed you had "succeeded" in banging a few fat chicks. Your attempt to lend plausibility to your story actually makes me more skeptical. If you rely on your grade of "internet celebrity" to pull white womens, they've got to be even more busted up than I imagined.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the posts. To the extent you are believed, you offer a perfect counterexample to Whiskey's hysterical attempts at demoralization: anyone can "get women" by knowing his level and adjusting his standards accordingly.
Please keep up the open hostility toward whites. The internet tough guy act when we all know you would be ragdolled by 95% of white men is a nice touch.
Anonymous,
"HBDers have of course siphoned away many intelligent people, who in the past would have been the intelligentsia of the WN movement."
I'm not terribly worried about attempts by people like Rajiv and Half Sigma to co-opt race-realism to further their ethnic interests. White men with properly-functioning endocrine systems who are exposed to "HBD" will move in a WN direction. Those without may use "HBD" to justify their pining for Asian women and cringing before black men, but few of these would have ever become WN anyway. The "WN intelligentsia" (such as it is) is as strong as it's ever been.
IDGI. You know that's shopped right? And that supposed to be a white guy or a desi? For Razib's sake you probably don't want to go there. What's the average in India, like 4?
Yeah. I dare anyone to go up to someone on the street and use the term "SWPL".
Just to clarify, everything I've said in this thread is in the context of the broader "politically incorrect" blogosphere, where the ideological struggle I described is taking place. Of course the ideas of WN, HBD, MRA, PUA, and all the rest of the acronyms are all virtually unknown in broader society.
No, sorry but I'm sure I've fucked more white girls, including blondes, than you have and ever will. And of much better quality, too. And I'll continue doing so while you, um, type away and post about Carleton Coon or something for all six of your readers.
Tough guy act? What tough guy act? There's no need for it when I'm just addressing an anonymous, cowardly, virginal pussy who doesn't even have the balls to put his name and face out there.
Keep going -- you're thoroughly impressing me. How long after the "Junior Unz Fellowship" money runs out do you think until you have your Omar Thornton moment?
There's no need for it when I'm just addressing an anonymous, cowardly, virginal pussy who doesn't even have the balls to put his name and face out there. - RK
LOL, this from the wog who, along with his dominant partner GC, was well-known for banning anyone who disagrees with him on GNXP and subsequently deleting all their posts. You are not anyone to be talking about cyber-cowardice.
And everyone here still knows you are a lying, insecure, delusional pervert.
Since I get more and better quality white girls, including blondes, than you do, why would I have an "Omar Thornton moment"? If I ever do, it'll be after an anonymous, cowardly, virginal pussy like you grows the balls to put your name and face out there.
English Woman Speaks Frankly About Difficulties of Having Mixed-Race Baby with Man from India
Lowri Turner
Daily Mail, UK, 13 July 2007
"She's getting very dark, isn't she?" This is what one of my friends recently said about my much adored - 12-week-old daughter.
She didn't mean to be rude. But it was a comment that struck me with the force of a jab to the stomach.
Immediately, I was overwhelmed by a confusion of emotions. I felt protective, insulted, worried, ashamed, guilty, all at once. The reason? My lovely, wriggly, smiley baby is mixed race.
Check out Greg Johnson and other assorted crazies in this thread. I can’t believe that madman was the editor of The Occidental Quarterly (a supposed scholarly journal) until recently. Kevin MacDonald has associated with Johnson for a long time and I even remember hearing him speak respectfully of him in a Jim Giles interview (another nut). All of this makes me think much less of everyone associated with TOQ/TOO (though certain other articles and statements had already given me a good deal of skepticism about them).
LOL. I also think that's probably a troll pretending to be Razib, though I wouldn't doubt Razib holds the same views.
re: Greg Johnson MR thread
Indeed, the TOQ bunch looks ridiculous from that thread. Greg Johnson is outed as a homosexual by Hunter Wallace as well, which some have suspected him of being.
I don't care if a white man is queer as long as he's (1) pro-white, (2) against all forms of gay marriage, (3) not a gay activist, (4) believes heterosexuality is the norm and doesn't try to normalize homosexuality, and (5) is a racial advocate for the interests of whites.
n/a is a voice of reason in that mind-poisoning thread. Seriously, what a pack of jackals they are at MR. It's very similar to VNN, except not as lowbrow but still pretty close.
They keep repeating that HW will turn anti, like they want him to so they can feel superior and correct. Considering their extreme hostility and raving lunacy, could you blame him if he did? Who in the hell wants to be around that much negativity.
You wonder how people can go from White nationalist to anti, these people give good reason. Their maniacal personalities turn you against them.
You wonder how people can go from White nationalist to anti, these people give good reason.
A person of good character would not abandon being a racialist simply because they encountered some jerks or crazies within the internet racialist circles.
That said, where is the evidence that Fade/Hunter has abandoned racialism? What we call "white nationalism" has not yielded any results in decades so it is understandable he is distancing himself from that particular label. The focus of his blog is still pro-white from what I can see.
A person of good character would not abandon being a racialist simply because they encountered some jerks or crazies within the internet racialist circles.
I agree, only problem is it's not a few people here and there, unfortunately the inmates are running the asylum.
That said, where is the evidence that Fade/Hunter has abandoned racialism? What we call "white nationalism" has not yielded any results in decades so it is understandable he is distancing himself from that particular label. The focus of his blog is still pro-white from what I can see.
There is none, it's wishful thinking on their part. That's how sick these people are, they actually want to turn a good White man away for their own petty reasons.
Hunter Wallace is not going to go openly "anti", he's going to keep pretending to be a WN and keep promoting whatever he thinks will cause harm to the movement. That is what he has done over his entire known history and there is no reason to believe that he has stopped or will stop at some point in the future.
He and his co-bloggers have been harping on how there's too much "anti-Semitism" for a while now (though they also "name the Jew" on occasion to give themselves credibility). Lately HW has been promoting pretty typical tea party kosher conservatism about how it's not about race, but about "Reds" vs. "Blues". The whole point is to divert attention away from the critical issues of race and Jewish power, and divide whites along arbitrary lines as a means of weakening them.
Hunter Wallace claims that as an "activist" he has to make compromises in order to "get things done in the real world" but the truth is that he has not done squat that could be called real world activism. He is promoting ideas online like the rest of us, except the ideas he promotes are bad for white people.
I know that people have reasons for not liking VNN, but everyone needs to read this thread on Hunter Wallace of Occidental Dissent. What makes you think this guy is a quality character? Remember that this password- and credit card number-stealing dirtbag is the same motherfucker who is always lecturing others on the importance of "character". What a fucking dick.
Hunter didn't steal any passwords. That was his Jew buddy Iceman/Metal Gear/Kane123123. He is only guilty in so far much as he was aware of it and egged him on. To claim Hunter is a password stealer is a big stretch.
Linder smears him simply because Linder smears anyone who disagrees with his exterminationist POV.
In the last open thread, I suggested that Richard Hoste and Hunter Wallace were both anti-WN infiltrators, and pointed out a number of characteristics that both had in common. Now that Richard Hoste has taken down his blog (hbdbooks.com) after a brief stint as an immigration-promoting libertarian, and Hunter Wallace is attacking WN in favor of tea party kosher conservatism, it looks like I was on to something.
Richard Hoste never claimed to be White nationalist. He didn't infiltrate anything.
The split at OD has cleared out a LOT of the trash from both posters and commentators, much better now.
Hunter tried having a big tent and inviting in lots of VNN scum and other defectives, it just won't work. Better he does his own thing and runs a tight ship.
227 comments:
1 – 200 of 227 Newer› Newest»I'm looking for resources on how to understand "structure", "admixture", etc. plots (e.g. this - what exactly do the columns represent?), and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations. I'd like to know both how to interpret these plots as well as something about how they are produced (I know the basics of statistics and linear algebra).
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/19/ap/health/main6691007.shtml
In US Cities, HIV Linked More To Poverty Than Race
Federal scientists found that race was not a factor — there were no significant differences between blacks, whites or Hispanics.
I'd like a topic about the Rothschild's fortune specifically.
We discused that earlyer in a series of videos. Several comments suggested the fortune is above a few trillions dollars. I suspect that this fortune was raised by abuse, immorality, cheat, lie, usury, transatlantic slave trade, mercenary bussiness (sometimes on both sides of a war), the British Waterloo 'defeat' falsely announced by a rothschild to deprime the english trade and what else ?
I also have a question: does anybody know the origin of the expression 'peasant death'. I've heard that in the Michael Moore movie 'Capitalism' about companies that make money on our dead bodies without our knowledge. It immediatly reminded me of the insurrance policy that the Rothschild had on every mercenary's prussian/hessian head that fell under contract with the British crown. Damn! in 'The Patriot' MelGibson completely failed to mention who made money by lending this evil hessian colonel who commited war crimes on America.
First Anonymous,
Each line represents an individual. Different colors represent different assumed/inferred ancestral populations. The structure website features copies of papers with information on methods.
Second Anonymous,
Let's see the actual study.
Louis IX,
"Several comments suggested the fortune is above a few trillions dollars."
I don't find that believable. I know a claim to that effect appeared on the website of a British newspaper, but British newspapers are not known for their fact checking. My sense is the entire family put together is worth well under $50 billion, maybe under $10 billion. In 2005, Jardine Strategic paid "US$187 million for a 20% interest in Rothschilds Continuation Holdings" (pdf). A couple of individual Rothschilds are said to have personal savings in the multiple billions.
The CDC says the black HIV rate is near 8 times the white rate, and the hispanic rate near 3 times the white rate.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/factsheets/pdf/prevalence.pdf
Surely the paper found (honestly or not) that this difference disappears after adjusting for income, and the journalist forgot/"forgot" to mention that the lack of difference was only after this adjustment.
Obama Needs To Start Talking About Race
If he wants his new AIDS strategy to work.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/76285/obama-needs-start-talking-about-race
Anonymous1,
The columns represent the number of clusters chosen for the clustering solution (in your figure, from 2-10). For example, the 3-cluster solution, roughly separates Africans, Caucasians, and East Asians, and you see admixture in some groups (e.g. African admixture in north African populations).
As for how the individuals are assigned to different clusters, the papers at n/a's link provide the details, but this is a pretty good high-level description of it (source):
[...] individuals are first randomly assigned into one of k groups, without regard to population affiliation. Individuals are then moved between groups to minimize Hardy-Weinberg disequilibrium and interlocus linkage disequilibrium within each group (minimal within-groups disequilibirum ensures genetic homogeneity within each group). Posterior probabilities of membership in each of the k groups are then estimated for each individual.
The colours for each individual (the rows of the plot) correspond to the probability of membership in the different clusters. For example, you can see that for 1 Saudi there is much higher probability for assignment to the red ('African') cluster (looks to be around 40%).
Here's a review on Bayesian statistics.
If you follow n/a's link, you will find, in addition to the publications, the software (structure) and some data sets you can use to try it out. It's a Java program, so you can run it on the major OS's.
There are other ways to estimate admixture(e.g.). For detecting population structure, the eponymous program and PCA (most frequently used implementation being EIGENSOFT) appear to be the standards. To run EIGENSOFT, you'll need a Linux machine (if you only have Windows, you can download Wubi and install and run Ubuntu Linux without hassle- shouldn't interfere with your Windows install).
Anon, (why don't you use a name in the name/url tab, if you are afraid of search, I suggest a name that is already very famous, like louis ix, any search with louisix is likely to retrieve thousands of refs to the real king of the name, before the name of this blog pops up), I beg to differ on the rothschild's fortune, the references are estimations because basically the fortune is hidden since the end of the XIX century.
The Wikipedia english article on 'Rothschild family' has a good 'discussion' section about this topic. The discussion in wiki links to this blog:
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/rothschild2.html
Which in turn gives an estimation based on about 6 US$ billions in 1850. With the lowest growth rate of 4% over 147 years, you get over a trillion US dollar in today's money.
Is it possible to own 6 billions in 1850? yes, i quote wiki:
"The family's rise to European prominence began with Mayer Amschel Rothschild (born Frankfurt, 1744), the son of Amschel Moses Rothschild,[6] a money changer. Born in the ghetto (called "Judengasse" or Jew Alley) of Frankfurt am Main.."
So the family had a hundred years to amass ~ 6 billions by 1850. The logic is irrefutable, knowing their business practice (like the waterloo hoax) or any jewish business in general, they are not liekely to LOOSE money, therefore if they really are in the vicinity of 6 billions in 1850, they MUST be in the trillions today.
Of course, they might claim in all honesty with both tips of their tongue (I borrow this expression from a blogger here)that they own under their name only few billions, that's not likely to adress the anmount of shares they own under different names or cover organisations.
And by the way, there is no such thing as a valid nobility title given to non-christian usurers. A Nobility title is based on middle aged concepts of chivalry and services given to the CHRISTIAN world. Those who sold such titles for 50 silver coins should actually loose their own title.
n/a and Dasein,
Thanks for the links and info.
Anthropologist Bertil Lundman on the Central European brachycephalization:
In Central Europe the increase in mean cephalic index from the early Middle Ages to the nineteenth century was extremely pronounced. For example, in Bavaria the proportion of the population classified as brachycephalic or round-headed increased from some 30% to 80-90% during this time period. In northwest Germany the change was from about 20% to more than 50% during the same time. The trend toward greater degree of brachycephaly still continues in parts of Poland and Rumania (Necrasow). This trend has naturally been much less pronounced in those regions of Europe which are presently still dolichocephalic or longheaded. In fact, in central Sweden there has been no change at all over time in mean cephalic index.
How does one explain these changes in head form? The relatively small decrease in mean cephalic index in recent times is probably connected with the stronger and quicker growth in youth. At this age period the head often becomes somewhat relatively longer-formed. In parts of Switzerland and other regions of Europe, the disappearance of cretinism and other conditions, produced by the importation of iodine, etc., is partly responsible for changes in population values of head form.
But what about the great increase in cephalic index in the Middle Ages and later periods? We still do not know to what degree environment, hereditary changes, arid selection were factors in this change in head form. The economic conditions of the lower classes in Europe evidently deteriorated in many ways during this time period. This was due to a sharp increase in population, long-lasting and destructive wars, and intensified pressure of the nobility upon the serfs. Moreover, in this time pronounced hereditary changes were being established. In part this was associated with a; rearrangement (through selection) of the hereditary composition of the population.
The changes appear to have tended toward a later-maturing and less assuming type, predominantly of the Alpine race. This type could have had relatively better chances for reproduction and survival during the times of war, scarcity, and pestilence (such as the Black Death around 1350) than the more assuming and earlier-maturing type, of the Nordic race. The round-headed mountain dwellers also suffered less in their protected location during the serious troubles of the land. Thus, these people could later partly settle the rich plains devastated by war and plague.
However, all the above is in no way a sufficient explanation of the change in cephalic index. For in the past two millennia a similar change in head form is very often observable among Mongolid populations. It also occurred among Europid peoples living in the colder regions of Europe, but not among Europids of the warmer regions. Perhaps this is one of the causes of the sound shift in the south German language which set in at about the same time.
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“We still do not know to what degree environment, hereditary changes, arid selection were factors in this change in head form.”
That should read and selection instead of arid selection. I should have corrected that.
The dramatic increase in cephalic index during the Middle Ages and early modern period wasn’t just restricted to Central Europe. It occurred among the Slavs of Eastern Europe as well. From Carleton Coon:
“The Slavs, like all the other Indo-European-speaking peoples whom we have been able to trace, were originally Nordic, and there is no suggestion in their early remains, in the regions studied, of the numerically predominant brachycephalic racial increments which today are considered typically Slavic.”
“Most of the Slavs retained their original dolichocephalic cranial form until at the earliest the thirteenth, and the latest the fifteenth, century. At that time, those who inhabited Russia and central Europe grew progressively brachycephalic, at a rapid but consistent rate. Well-documented series from Bohemia and the Moscow government show how this change progressed from century to century, so that normal means of 73 to 75 rose as high as 83 by the nineteenth. Few Slavs were spared this change, which was parallel to that which affected the southern Germans and other peoples of central and eastern Europe. Although it took place in the full light of late mediaeval and modern history, no one fully satisfactory explanation has yet been offered.”
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More from Carleton Coon:
“If environment can so demonstrably affect stature, and act with such rapidity (the New Englanders have grown 7 cm. in 100 years), then it is more than likely that it can affect other racial criteria, including head form. The excessive brachycephalization which swept over central Europe in the Middle Ages, affecting especially southern Germany and Bohemia, followed the same pattern as the stature change. Both proceeded as orderly increases at fixed rates of speed. Selection may have been a large contributing cause, through infiltration and differential birth rates. Simple Mendelian dominance of brachycephaly, which has never been demonstrated, may not be eliminated, but it cannot have been the only factor involved. But even if we grant infiltration and differential selection and direct Mendelism, it is difficult to account for the rise in cephalic index in the south German and Alpine region over any level which it had attained in antiquity, historic or prehistoric, unless we place this change at least partly on the basis of a response to environmental stimuli. The food-gatherers of west-central Europe seem to have responded to an earlier and equally extensive brachycephalization during the Mesolithic, a period of profound climatic change; and the parallel modification, millennia later, among civilized food-producers, may, for reasons as yet unknown, have followed a parallel mechanism of change.”
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And finally this from Coon:
“It is the virtual absence of Alpines in the British Isles which has prevented the British from undergoing a brachycephalization comparable to that found in most of central Europe. There seem to be no dominant trends in head form, for the component elements in the British amalgam have retained their original cephalic index levels.”
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Theya: "And the biggest enemies of whites have been ludicrous race theorists whose ideas and deeds were so crazy and wicked that they came to discredit even sound, true, and genuinely scientific theories about race. And you can still them in groups like Stormfront, Castefootball, and on occasion, even at Alt Right.
Let's face it. The problem with theories about race is a good deal developed as a justification and/or rationalization for white rule, white domination, white imperialism, and white arrogance. (In some cases, the racial arrogance got so out of hand that whites though they would easily rule the whole planet with ease.)
Because racial theories had been politicized from the beginning, there wasn't much science in many of them. Worse, racial theories came to be dominated by Northern pale skinned Europeans who used it to expound about how they were closer to the 'aryan' ideal and better than the all 'swarthy' whites. Who can deny all the dumb Anglo Waspy race theories in US, UK, and Germany about why their Northern stock was superior to Eastern-and-Southern European stock? If anything, racial theories up to the end of WWII often served to divide than unite whites. This was especially true of the Nazis, who even waged a war of extermination agaisnt the Slavs. (I don't wanna hear another BS about Nazis invading USSR mainly to defeat communism and to liberate the Christian Slavs. That is TOO FUNNY.) "
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/untimely-observations/where-black-rules-white/
Theya/Andrea Freiboden's comment reminds me of the southern Italian at Guy White's blog who complained about the "racist and hateful science" of Northern Europeans.
http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/italian-achievements/
"As far as southern italians having smaller heads than everyone else, I really don’t know it that is true. However, the original testing that was done in the late parts of the nineteenth, and early parts of the twentieth century, where skulls of different races her filled with sand to test the cranial capacity, were largely found to have been fudged, or faked.
Northern Europeans are always behind this sort of racist and hateful science. They have a lot invested in trying to prove once and for all that they are superior to other races. And there is a reason for this: Insecurity.
In fact history would put the meditteranean race on top if we’re are to compare ethnic groups. It is a fact that while greek and roman civilization was enjoying the bronze age, the germanic people of the north were still in the stone age. They were considered savages by the romans ...
The undeniable fact is, italians once conquered and ruled the known world, and were technologically, politically, literally far ahead of the nordic europeans These same “low IQ, small headed, narcissistic, and everything else I’ve read here about my people, SOUTHERN ITALIANS."
The Jews are our misfortune.
Is there any evidence for the idea that "Alpines" or brachycephalic people are inferior in any way? Southern Germany at least has produced no shortage of eminent men, and when I look at pictures of famous German scientists, philosophers, composers, political leaders, etc. I see no evidence for the idea that they were predominantly Nordic.
Also, as far as the "no Alpines in the British Isles" thing, aren't "Borreby" and "Brunn" types essentially the NW European Alpine variants?
Theya/Freiboden never offers evidence when pressed for particular claims she makes. She repeats the same drivel over and over.
I have, for example, never seen her substantively prove her wild claims about negro superiority beyond anecdotes that her female friends find them to be sexually preferable. Of what claims on Stormfront or Caste Football she objects to isn't even clear.
She shirks and changes the subject if you try to quote scholarly research that contradicts her.
Of course Andrei doesn't explain any of his stupid claims, he's a troll.
Theya/Freiboden never offers evidence when pressed for particular claims she makes. She repeats the same drivel over and over.
Well, this is why -
Quotes by Andrea Freiboden
Andrea Freiboden is a male homosexual internet troll of racialist blogs and websites with an insatiable lust for black men, who also goes by the names:
JawboneCritic, Andrea Nyx Hemera, Andrea Ostrov Letania, Middletown Girl, Theya
Some white nationalists have been fooled into thinking this person is a racialist and on the side of whites, and they've been fooled.
This blog is a collection of quotes that this freak has made over the years. If you have any more, then add them to the comments section and I will include them.
...
another jawbone critic quote for you
"Or suppose some woman offers a blowjob to a guy but it turns out she's really a he, a transsexual. That would be gross too, for most guys anyway. "
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/in-israel-miscegenation-is-rape/
Sounds like "Andrei" speaks from experience ;}
Poor sick, sick basturd.
Louis IX,
"they are not liekely to LOOSE money, therefore if they really are in the vicinity of 6 billions in 1850, they MUST be in the trillions today."
Very bad assumption. The default is for money to evaporate. Earning an average 4% return after taxes and inflation every year for a century and a half is far from trivial. Secretly owning trillions of dollars in assets is impossible. The numbers on the web page you link to intended to "give some perspective" do, albeit not in the way intended by the author:
To give these figures some perspective consider these benchmarks:
* A little of $300 billion US buys every ounce of gold in every central bank in the world (see John Kutyn's estimate (http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest/kutyn111597.html).
* U.S. M3 money supply August 1997 was $5.2 trillion
* U.S. debt is currently $5.4 trillion.
* U.S. GDP (1997; 2nd Q.) is $8.03 trillion.
* George Soros' empire is worth an estimated $20 billion.
A comment at American Renaissance makes the following allegation:
While Madison Grant wrote some very provocative works advocating the importance of White survival, he did not always practice what he espoused. In fact, Grant was known to have sexual liasons with Asian women.
There was also many rumored stories of him having an illegitimate biracial Asain child and would engage in sex with mulatto Black women.
A follow-up comment claims:
There is a book written by authors Estelle Freedman and John D’Emilio entitled Intimate Matters. The book is an exhaustive, comprehnensive study of the history of American sexual behavior from the 17th century to 1990s.
They discuss Mr. Grant’s very voracious sexual appetite for non-White women, especially Asian women and biracal Black women. Check it out for yourself.
A preview of the book Intimate Matters is available at Google Books. A search for "Madison Grant" returns no results. I can't find any reference to these supposed "many rumored stories" anywhere online. If there were any such rumors, you would expect that Grant's detractors would have used them against him. Is this Amren comment accusation fabricated out of thin air?
Complete fabrication.
The Rothschild story: A golden era ends for a secretive dynasty - This Britain, UK - The Independent:
More significant, however, was that in the process the Rothschilds created the world of banking as we know it today. Nathan operated principally as an underwriter and speculator in the early 19th-century bond market. He and his brothers invented, or at any rate popularised, the government bond, which allowed investors, big and small, to buy bits of the debts of sovereign states by purchasing fixed-interest bearer bonds.
Governments liked this because they could use them to raise colossal sums of money. Investors liked them because they could be traded - at prices that fluctuated in relation to the performance of the issuing government - and shrewd investors could make big sums. It brought investment in railways, the industrial revolution and ventures like the Suez Canal. The Rothschilds got a cut of everything.
It was a new kind of power. "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply," Nathan said. The family developed a lack of awe for the powerful and important. A pompous aristocrat one day called on Nathan who was head down at his desk. Without looking up, the banker said: "Take a chair." His caller, affronted, said: "You are speaking to the Prince of Thurn and Taxis." To which Rothschild replied: "Take two chairs." At one point he even rescued the Bank of England after a run on gold caused the collapse of 145 banks. In 1885 he was given the hereditary title of Baron Rothschild.
Many of the distinct characteristics of the family can be traced back to the will of the founder Mayer Rothschild. It stipulated that no public inventory should be made of his estate; that key positions in the House of Rothschild were to be held by family members; that the eldest son should inherit unless the rest agreed otherwise; that the family was to intermarry with first and second cousins to keep the fortune together; that anyone disputing these terms would be struck from the will. And that all this should apply in perpetuity.
In part this was about preserving not just their Jewish identity but a self-conscious position as role models for their poorer co-religionists. The Rothschilds expended much effort and money pressing for Jewish emancipation and equality across the continent.
A preview of the book Intimate Matters is available at Google Books. A search for "Madison Grant" returns no results. I can't find any reference to these supposed "many rumored stories" anywhere online. If there were any such rumors, you would expect that Grant's detractors would have used them against him. Is this Amren comment accusation fabricated out of thin air?
Of course this comment accusation is a complete, and libelous fabrication (and slander) against one of the greatest and most tenacious White activists that America was blessed to have.
If Madison could only still be with us, when we need courageous men like him more than ever now.
Madison Grant will always march with us in Geist.
I'm not convinced that Andrea is really a male. Andrea seems to have too many stereotypical feminine traits to be a male, even a homosexual one. That's my feeling until better evidence is presented.
Even though Andrea is often inconsistent and emotionally driven in her screeds, she comes off to me as being a fairly well-educated college type. I personally imagine her as a fairly bright but rather unattractive feminist - maybe a professor or lecturer of some sort. She comes off as being well-inculcated in the Frankfurt School dialetic and has often had very many positive things (with, at best, very mild criticism) to say about Marx, Frankfurt School, Susan Sontag, and etc. The only thing that doesn't really seem to fit is her token criticisms of blacks (if anyone pays attention, she's pretty enthusiastic about other races) - one can either take that an attempt to fit in the paleo/HBD blogs by being anti-black or a sign that she's willing to part ways with the traditional leftist orthodoxy on the issue of blacks (it wouldn't be unheard of - one of the hidden secrets of the revolutionary left is an often untold animus towards blacks).
What's interesting, of course, is her sort of love/hate relationship with blacks. She freely admits that blacks are dumb and violent but she attributes a whole bunch of undeserved qualities to them - being more attractive (to a point of being a fetish), being more muscular, being better at all athletics, being better musicians, and etc. I wonder if she was raped by a negro and has some sort of perverse fondness of the memory or was beaten by blacks and thinks that having a strong man hurt her is erotic somehow. In a similar vein, she continuously degrades and denigrates white males as being weak, effeminate, and sexually frustrated (because all the manly blacks are taking the white girls and/or stealing them away from whites through). Perhaps any number of things could make her think that way - one of the more obvious ones being that she's a coalburner who enjoys the sexual comfort of black men but is so insecure about it (like most coalburners are) that she lashes out at white men at any opportunity to self-justify her behavior.
I'm not really convinced she is a troll either - she is way too focused and dedicated on her topics of interest for this to be a troll, in my opinion. Most trolls aren't in it for the long haul and wouldn't dedicate the effort to write paragraph after paragraph of neo-Marxist drivel just for a few giggles. Furthermore, her writings come off as things she writes to gain agreement from the audience and to sway them, as opposed to shocking people and causing discord. It is only recently (after 1-2 years of my knowledge of her existence) that people are starting to become more critical of her and calling her out in force. I suppose its possible though.
I'm not convinced that Andrea is really a male. Andrea seems to have too many stereotypical feminine traits to be a male, even a homosexual one. That's my feeling until better evidence is presented.
Even though Andrea is often inconsistent and emotionally driven in her screeds, she comes off to me as being a fairly well-educated college type. I personally imagine her as a fairly bright but rather unattractive feminist - maybe a professor or lecturer of some sort. She comes off as being well-inculcated in the Frankfurt School dialectic and has often had very many positive things (with, at best, very mild criticism) to say about Marx, Frankfurt School, Susan Sontag, and etc. The only thing that doesn't really seem to fit is her token criticisms of blacks (if anyone pays attention, she's pretty enthusiastic about other races) - one can either take that an attempt to fit in the paleo/HBD blogs by being anti-black or a sign that she's willing to part ways with the traditional leftist orthodoxy on the issue of blacks (it wouldn't be unheard of - one of the hidden secrets of the revolutionary left is an often untold animus towards blacks).
What's interesting, of course, is her sort of love/hate relationship with blacks. She freely admits that blacks are dumb and violent but she attributes a whole bunch of undeserved qualities to them - being more attractive (to a point of being a fetish), being more muscular, being better at all athletics, being better musicians, and etc. I wonder if she was raped by a negro and has some sort of perverse fondness of the memory or was beaten by blacks and thinks that having a strong man hurt her is erotic somehow. In a similar vein, she continuously degrades and denigrates white males as being weak, effeminate, and sexually frustrated (because all the manly blacks are taking the white girls and/or stealing them away from whites through). Perhaps any number of things could make her think that way - one of the more obvious ones being that she's a coalburner who enjoys the sexual comfort of black men but is so insecure about it (like most coalburners are) that she lashes out at white men at any opportunity to self-justify her behavior.
I'm not really convinced she is a troll either - she is way too focused and dedicated on her topics of interest for this to be a troll, in my opinion. Most trolls aren't in it for the long haul and wouldn't dedicate the effort to write paragraph after paragraph of neo-Marxist drivel just for a few giggles. Furthermore, her writings come off as things she writes to gain agreement from the audience and to sway them, as opposed to shocking people and causing discord. It is only recently (after 1-2 years of my knowledge of her existence) that people are starting to become more critical of her and calling her out in force. I suppose its possible though.
Anonymous, 11:01,
Good points. I also rejoiced that what they own, with the R signature at the bottom of the bill, could be well under the trillions. But what about what they gave to entities as a form of control or as opportunities for their alike to make more money or gain power?
As Transtaafl mentioned, they have sustained princes and crowns, surely they also have sustained their own bussiness through other jewish businesses.
The point now becomes:
If you evalutate jewish bussiness worldwide, of which a great part is derived from the Rothschilds fortune, you will certainly get over the trillions.
If you add, not just the Madoff (in jail), Chelsea Clinton father in Law (5 years in jail) but the political powers who support these businesses, like Sarkozy in France (who stated that anybody that cannot buy a gold watch by 50 is a looser) who is soon to be replaced by Dominik Strauss Kahn, the figure becomes overwhelming.
So you might be right and my question was somehow irrelevant, the R probably own less than a trillion under their name. The real good question becomes how much the jews own and control worldwide, be it under the Rothschild, Sarkozy or Strauss kahn names ?
Anonymous,
"Andrea seems to have too many stereotypical feminine traits to be a male"
The "feminine" qualities in his writing are to actual femininity as the "femininity" of drag queens is to that of actual women. It's impossible for me to the mistake two.
But since you need "evidence": he used to post as "Andrei Freiboden" before posting as "Andrea Freiboden". Shortly after someone pointed this out on my blog, he stopped using the name "Freiboden" and deleted the Andrea Freiboden blog -- versions of which then reappeared under the names Andrea Ostrov Letania and Andrea Nyx Hemera. I believe he also posts as "Big bill". He probably started posting as a female partly in hopes of getting more people to pay attention to him, but there are also obvious elements of sexual fetish.
"she comes off to me as being a fairly well-educated college type. I personally imagine her as a fairly bright but rather unattractive feminist - maybe a professor or lecturer of some sort."
Reasonably intelligent, yes. Professor? Not a chance. He strikes me as lifelong underemployed. He's claimed to have worked as a video store clerk, and that sounds about right.
Louis IX,
You're right. There's no question Jews control large and disproportionate amounts of wealth. E.g., more than a third of the Forbes 400 is Jewish.
n/a,
Thanks. I had absolutely no idea that "he" used to post as Andrei. Since you seem to know more about him than I do, I'll defer to your knowledge and wisdom.
I think it would be useful if someone could update that blog that contains quotes of his with these bits of biographical details.
This sort of stuff is very disarming and makes him lose every bit of credibility when presented to new readers.
Chimpanzee prefers blonde human women to females of own species.
Kevin MacDonald: Thomas DiLorenzo on Puritan Moral Fervor
Occidental Dissent administrator "H. Rock White" approvingly quoted a Facebook note by Freiboden and says he agrees with Freiboden a lot. No wonder OD links to one of Freiboden's sites.
Occidental Dissent administrator "H. Rock White" approvingly quoted a Facebook note by Freiboden and says he agrees with Freiboden a lot. No wonder OD links to one of Freiboden's sites.
Thanks for the heads-up, anon!
*What is wrong with the discernment and better judgement of some of the guys on that otherwise excellent site?
I don't entirely disagree with the points I assume H. Rock White is acceding to. Ultimately, we are in a struggle to secure territory and mates.
I disagree that Freud provides any special insight or that "white nationalists [. . .] spend most of their waking hours worrying about some Negro kicking their butt and stealing their girl".
The largest immediate threat is unfettered immigration by and miscegenation with mestizos. "Andrea" attempts to pathologize those with healthy instincts as feeling personally threatened by "muscled black guys", but the intrusion of fat black guys, dumpy mestizos, or short Asian men on one's territory is equally a net negative that white men have no reason to tolerate -- including assertions that anyone who actually wishes to compete is "afraid of competing".
Incidentally, the average black man is much more angered by seeing a black girl with a white man than the average white man is by the reverse.
The largest immediate threat is unfettered immigration by and miscegenation with mestizos.
Correct, and a close second is White males with Asian females.
As horrifically incongruous and abominable as White female miscegenation is with male Congoids, it is less damaging to our racial integrity as the offspring are considered black and self-identity as black. The offspring of mestizos and Asians with Whites on the other hand are often considered White or close enough and identity with and mate with Whites, thereby our gene pool takes on more non-White ancestry.
I've actually come into contact with more than a few of these couples who considered their hybrid or fully Asian partner White and their offspring White.
Speaking of silly comments from Occidental Dissent:
One of the main differences is Hunter is from the South, so naturally he's going to be more masculine than a Yankee. It's even in their voices, so many of them either have a boyish voice or sound like a queer.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Seriously? All Southerners are more masculine than Northerners?
I must've seen nearly 1,000 of your comments at OD, but I can't ever remember seeing a single comment that was the least bit insightful. You need to recognize that you're grossly out of your element.
One of the main differences is Hunter is from the South, so naturally he's going to be more masculine than a Yankee. It's even in their voices, so many of them either have a boyish voice or sound like a queer.
So Southern masculinity means being obese and having bitch tits?
Here's an interesting comment from that same OD thread:
Also, if Jeffrey Imm is so adept at outing WN’s and publishing their real names then why hasn’t he outed Hunter and crew?
I wonder what the answer to this question could possibly be, especially since "Hunter's" real name is already known. Maybe Imm and "Hunter Wallace" ain't exactly enemies.
I must've seen nearly 1,000 of your comments at OD, but I can't ever remember seeing a single comment that was the least bit insightful. You need to recognize that you're grossly out of your element.
This must be Trainwreck, who likes to repeat nonsense ad nauseam.
Do you normally read a thousand comments from people whom you hate and gain nothing from? You didn't think that through did you.
Remove head from ass before commenting, thanks.
n/a,
I recently came across this paper. Not sure whether there's anything particularly interesting or new in here for you, but thought I'd point it out in any case.
Dasein,
Thanks.
"Also, if Jeffrey Imm is so adept at outing WN’s and publishing their real names then why hasn’t he outed Hunter and crew?"
Apparently, they have. See comment above yours. I think Hunter also mentioned in one of this videos that they tried to get one of his friends fired.
So Southern masculinity means being obese and having bitch tits?
Even Southerners that appear fat, sweaty, and unathletic on camera are more masculine than Yankee faggots. Forget niggers, I spend every waking hour worrying that a Southern He-Man will steal my girlfriend.
Reginald says Mark wrote a comment at The Occidental Observer supporting killing police officers. Is the TOO comment by the same Mark who comments at Occidental Dissent, or is it someone else?
No way that's the same Mark. Reginald's none too bright.
The Mark on OD once posted that it would be good to drive the Mexicans in Mexico "into the sea".
The Mark on TOO Blog, undoubtedly the same person given the many parallels in their writing, recently said:
‘The TOO front page has a review of the movie Predators.
There is an image of a Jew wearing a t-shirt with the slogan, “One shot, two kills”, and an image of a pregnant Palestinian woman.
The image on the shirt made me think of a tactic that will most likely appear before long in the struggle here in North America: the killing of pregnant Mexican and Jewish women. That will be especially important along the U. S. – Mexican border as pregnant Mexican women try to make it to the U.S. to drop their litters that will then be “anchor babies”.
This tactic will be used by White marksmen near, and even 40–50 miles inside, the U. S. border and who will be using common deer and elk caliber hunting rifles equipped with either a daytime or a night-vision scope depending on the “hunting" conditions.’
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=2892&cpage=3#comment-12078
So one Mark wants to drown Mexicans, and the other wants to kill them in the womb by shooting their mothers.
"The Mark on TOO Blog, undoubtedly the same person given the many parallels in their writing"
Prove it, Reginald.
No parallels in content or style at all. Get it together Tyrone. I mean Reginald.
Andrei Freiboden says "a white guy can psychologically feel empowered through 'white guilt'":
"If you're a wasp who loses out to Jews in business and loses out to blacks in sports, 'white guilt' might be therapeutic. Instead of being overcome with bitterness and envy, you can say something like, "we whites ran everything for so long, and we kicked butt so many times, it's time we lost too once in awhile and got our butts kicked too." It works like ointment on an aching butt. Even without political or economic power, a white guy can psychologically feel empowered through 'white guilt'. He can pretend that his loss and defeat was something he himself engineered and/or accepted gracefully out of own goodness of heart and raised consciousness.
For example, take Lawrence O'Donnell, a passionate proponent of interracial relations. We all know white women go with black men cuz black men in greater numbers because black men are winning the TOP STUD CONTEST, whereby white males are becoming irrelevant as icons of male sexuality and prowess. O'Donnell, by making lots of noises about interracial relations, is pretending that the new sexual order has been made possible by a good-hearted and 'progressive anti-racist' fighter such as he. No longer sexually relevant, a wussy white boy is trying to remain politically and morally relevant, as if to suggest, "white women and black men can finally do one another cuz a good, conscientious, and noble white liberal like myself has allowed it to happen."
That way, it feels less like LOSING OUT TO THE BLACK MAN and more like DOING A NOBLE PROGRESSIVE FAVOR FOR THE BLACK MAN."
Whiskey said...
White women form the backbone, politically, as the swing force behind AA.
Not only do they benefit, personally, but the "smart people" aka Celebrities, people on the left, and so on push AA. My latest post delves into that a little. Women love princesses, nobility, aristocracy (look at the vampire novels with aristocracy/hierarchy in all of them) and this banishing of upward White male mobility is catnip for women. It makes "find the Alpha easy."
Moreover, Women mostly prefer darker skinned guys, who are viewed as more masculine, more dominant, more well endowed. Getting rid of the annoying White guy two cubicles over who checks them out with a dominant darker skinned man is a plus for White women.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/07/jim-webb-gop-and-sammy-sosa-solution.html
Does anyone else think that it is at all possible that "Whiskey/Testicle99" and "Andrea Freiboden/Nyx-Hemena/Ostrov-Letania/Middletown Girl/Jawbone Critic/Theya possibly one and the same?!?
Maybe.
Andrei plays as an anti-semite whereas Whiskey plays as a philo-semite who accuses Obama and Emanuel of being anti-Israel anti-semites.
Nah, no chance. Whiskey may be picking up pointers from "Andrea"'s posts, though.
Reginald the trolling swarthoid has hit a new low with his mendacity and stupidity, now attempting to libel me with advocating murder. With every comment Reginald makes he shows others how despicable he is.
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature would know that's not me.
I appreciate the support and am glad at least a few people have the courage and wisdom to speak the truth against dark forces such as Reginald.
Nah, no chance. Whiskey may be picking up pointers from "Andrea"'s posts, though.
I suppose n/a, but what is it with the stinkin borderline-homosexual obsession with the negro with the likes of "Whiskey/Testicle99" and "Andrei"??
And, more importantly, why do so many White Nationalists tolerate such sick, nauseating behaviour from the likes of those two creepy degenerates -- polluting so many message and blog boards/forums???
Reginald Thompson says:
July 29, 2010 at 2:19 am
The only person in the history of OD known to have called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans was Mark, who said we should drive them into the sea.
The only person in the history of TOO Blog who has called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans was Mark, who said:
“The TOO front page has a review of the movie Predators.
There is an image of a Jew wearing a t-shirt with the slogan, “One shot, two kills”, and an image of a pregnant Palestinian woman.
The image on the shirt made me think of a tactic that will most likely appear before long in the struggle here in North America: the killing of pregnant Mexican and Jewish women. That will be especially important along the U. S. – Mexican border as pregnant Mexican women try to make it to the U.S. to drop their litters that will then be ‘anchor babies’.
This tactic will be used by White marksmen near, and even 40–50 miles inside, the U. S. border and who will be using common deer and elk caliber hunting rifles equipped with either a daytime or a night-vision scope depending on the ‘hunting’ conditions.”
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=2892&cpage=3#comment-
The chances that the only two posters on these two sites to make such immoderate statements about the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans would both post under the name “Mark” is extremely small.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/07/24/webb-and-the-new-southern-strategy/comment-page-2/#comment-70177
The chances that the only two posters on these two sites to make such immoderate statements about the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans would both post under the name “Mark” is extremely small.
OK Reginald (or whomever), enough of this speculative sh-t about Mark -- since you do not have any real, meaningful proof regarding your allegations that those comments have definitively been made by him.
I understand that you had an ongoing feud with him (and MGLS) over at OD -- and they were at times rude and condescending to you -- but c'mon, these accusatory and defamatory comments of yours is making us all look bad by your highlighting these borderline-criminal quotes that your posting -- as well as making yourself (or your buddies) look petty.
Just let it go bro -- your an interesting writer and blogger on your own that need not drag yourself down (and again, us) with this gossipy drivel.
For those keeping track: a reader emails a copy of comments by "Andrei Freiboden" that originally appeared at http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/moviereviews/090115/. That link is apparently dead, but I did see the comments there myself when they were first brought to my attention, so there's no question of their authenticity (and reading them, there's no question the author is the same who later posted as "Andrea").
[The comments:]
Andrei Freiboden at 2:30 PM on 1/17/2009
Che was a psychopath, pure and pimple. But then, so was Jesus in his own way. People think Jesus was all love and peace. But, Jesus wanted God to come down and kill almost all the people except a select few. When he said 'meek shall inherit the earth', he meant there will come a day when God shall return and spare the meek while killing all the freaks and geeks.
Che was a nutter. There were Japanese militarist loons who said ALL Japanese should die gloriously and honorably with the emperor. Even after two nukes, they were opposed to surrendering. They preferred US nuked all of Japan so that all Japanese could be one in pokemon heaven with Hirohito. But, Hirohito said I aint no hero and am hito stay. So, Japan was spared.
Che wasn't even Cuban, but he was willing to sacrifice all Cuban men, women, and children in a nuclear holocaust in the name of 'revolutionary sacrifice'. Like all Marxist 'egalitarian' revolutionaries, he was megalomaniac and saw himself as god-like. Of course, he wanted the US invasion because it would justify Castro and himself to shoot nukes at US as well. That so many Americans revere this lowlife is shocking. Jewish Americans--most of whom are liberal or leftist--love him most. Amy Taubin and J Hoberman peed in their pants over this movie. They love some guy who wanted to nuke NY, the Jewish capital of the world. Jewish leftists love their freedom and privilege in bourgeois America but also love to show off their reckless, 'selfless', progressive, and radical credentials by embracing nuts like Che--at least rhetorically. Also, if Che has been fat, bald, and ugly, would he so popular among the left today? So much for egalitarianism! It's Calvin Klein meets Marxism--rather like Matrix movies.
Also, Soderbooger is an idiot. In Film Comment, he says it was no big deal that Che killed prisoners in La Cabana since guys like Truman killed many more--in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But, Truman's actions, though horrible, were wartime decisions to bring war to an end. When Che killed his prisoners, his side had already won. The prisoners were utterly in his mercy. He killed them gratuitously because he enjoyed it--like the Gian Maria Volonte character in For a Few Dollars More.
[Continued:]
Also, I'm sick of the liberal PBS crap about Cuba. Most Cubans who fled from Castro had NOTHING to do with the mafia or CIA or Batista. Most left AFTER the revolution. Indeed, most had intended to stay and even welcomed the revolution as the hope for true democracy for Cubans. Indeed, contrary to popular myth, Castro's victory could not have been possible without urban bourgeois support. There were many middle class and even upper class folks in government and other institutions who helped the guerillas and subverted Batista's rule from within. But, once Castro took power, he wanted all the power, all the wealth, all the truth, all the whatever. That's when the mass exodus from Cuba took place. But, you won't get this from the liberal Jewish-dominated media in America. For the liberal Jews in America, it was evil for Hitler to dispossess German Jews in the name of German masses, but it was wonderful for Castro to dispossess the Cuban middle class--mostly honest small businessmen--in the name of 'social justice'. Even gazillionaires like Barbara Walters schmoozed up to Castro. Carole King sang, "you've got a friend" to Castro.
And, today's rich privileged yuppies who own most of the nation's wealth put on fancy radical airs. It's like they want all the money and all the moral narcissism.
I'll give Che this. He 'played his strings right to the end'. In this regard, he was heroic in the way Osama Bin Laden has been--though, of course, evil. Now, how many rich leftist Jewish and gentile yuppies in America have the guts to do what Che did? Zero. They want their SUVs, nice condos, nightly trips to fancy eateries, and etc. Feeling compromised and all-too-bourgeois, they need the Che posters and Godard films to feel oh-so-radical-and-pure. If they really care for the poor masses, why don't they go live in Englewood and mix with the 'oppressed' and share their wealth? Who's stopping them? Bush and Cheney? I thought Chicago was totally run by Democrats. Yet, I see all those progressive whites living up in the gated communities in the North Side by the lake with their art galleries and fancy eateries. Okay, so Facets has commie posters on the wall. If Facets is for the poor, why not go relocate in Englewood? No, it caters to the rich yuppies who wanna take in an 'art film' after they've just spent $100 at a fancy eatery. And, it's not kids of working class Americans who are into Che. It's the kids of the rich. What a bunch of phonies. If Soderbooger really loves Che, I say we take all of his wealth and spread it around. Stupid punk.
Andrei Freiboden at 7:25 PM on 1/18/2009
Che was a nutter and a psychopath. What sane person during the Cuban Missile Crisis would hope that it would lead to US invasion so Cubans could shoot nukes at Miami and NY, with US shooting missiles back on Cuba? That is not crazy? I suppose you think Osama is sane too. At least, Obama knocked down two towers. Che wanted to blow up the entire city.
What was Che's idea of a good society? He visited North Korea, the most psychotic of communist slave states, and said it was 'most impressive'.
Also, he said a revolutionary must 'hate, hate, hate', and be 'a cold killing machine'.
Also, like Mao, he exulted in and romanticized violence. He was an Argentinian but he meddled in the affairs of other nations--in Africa too.
He was also a naive fool. He had a cops vs robbers view of the world where US was evil while commies were good. He bowed to a photo of Stalin--mass murderer of 20 million--everyday in the 1950s.
You say Che cared for the poor. Well, so did Mao and Pol Pot. So did Jim Jones. So, did Hitler, who accused Jews of exploiting the German masses. Hitler gave Germans universal healthcare and full employment because he cared sooooo much about the poor and hated 'exploitation' of by Jewish capitalists. And, Osama Bin Laden, he sure cares about the poor Muslims oppressed by 'neo-imperialists'. So, why don't you wear an Osama t-shirt? (Indeed, some Muslims do.)
Anyway, what did communism and third worldism ever do for the poor? Nothing. It made them poorer. In many cases, it killed far many more of them than European imperialists ever did. The french in Indochina were saints compared to Vietnamese commies who pushed innocent people into the open sea--where a million perished--or the Khmer Rouge, who killed 2 million out of 7 million in the name of utopianism and 'social justice'. Lovely!
And, notice that all these psychos and nutters--Che, Mao, Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc--all sought absolute godlike power by proclaiming to feel for the poor.
And, in the name of the poor, they gained total power, total ownership of nation, total influence, and make themselves into gods.
Well, if Che is someone you admire, than you should admire Osama Bin Laden too. He's an Islamo-Marxist who stood up for the Muslim masses against global Zionist-dominated imperialism, right? And, Hamas is noble too for it cares for poor Palestinians crushed by Zionists backed by imperialist US. Why don't you buy a Hamas coffee cup?
Now, let's follow your logic, Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater.
You say Che was good because he stood up to USA, the premier imperialist nation. Since US is imperialist, the people who are most successful, powerful, and influential in the US must be MOST imperialist. Who are they? Aren't they American Jews who own/control most or much of the media, Hollywood, law, academia, government, economy, etc?
This is what kills me. Jews, who are the MOST cutthroat capitalist and wealthy(and powerful)people in America make the most noise about how they are for 'social justice'. They make their millions or billions, and then support a puppet like Obama and then act like they are the spiritual heirs of Che. Liberal Jews act according to Ayn Rand but then put on airs of Karl Marx. Just look at Hollywood. The most ruthless form of capitalism in the world yet always acting like it's in the trenches with Castro and John Reed.
Andrei Freiboden at 5:52 PM on 1/26/2009
Hey sicki Nicki, I was comparing Che with Osama. Che was a hateful lunatic radical scumbag who wanted to nuke US cities, and Osama is a hateful lunatic radical scumbag who would like to bomb more US cities.
It's sad that people who think 9/11 was bad revere Che Guevera who didn't just want to ram a plane into buildings but incinerate entire cities.
"with the stinkin borderline-homosexual obsession with the negro with the likes of "Whiskey/Testicle99" and "Andrei"??"
I took a stab at answering that question here. That's not a perfect or comprehensive answer, but I think a lot of it does come down to various sorts of intra-racial competition, along with rationalizations of personal failure.
For example, Whiskey sees that women are more attracted to other (white) men than to him. (As I recall, his whining originally focused entirely on white women's attraction to white "alphas".) This bothers him greatly. But if he can elevate black men to a position of special/extreme attractivness, this then renders the distance between him and more attractive white men less significant -- makes it so he can say to himself (or try to convince other white men): you may be more attractive than me, but women are only really attracted to black men.
Or it may also give him an excuse not to try with women. If he's uncomfortable talking to women, he can tell himself the depraved bitches don't want him anyway; and since women are only attracted to the "hunkiest thugs ever" it's not his fault and there's nothing he can do to change the situation, relieving himself of any sense of guilt or responsibility for his failure with women.
Reginald: The only person in the history of OD known to have called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans was Mark, who said we should drive them into the sea.
Reginald is not only a mendacious bastard as MGLS pointed out, which Reginald clearly proves over and over again, but Reginald is a willful and delusional mendacious bastard. He isn't interested in the truth at all, the truth just gets in his way. He tries to make others believe that someone else named "mark," notice the lowercase, must be me, because no one else with that name posts on the internet.
Instead of apologizing for his libel, or just letting it go, he continues with his unscrupulous and defamatory deceit.
I've never called for the indiscriminate killing of Mexicans. What I have called for is the recolonization of Latin America by people of Northern European descent, since that is what Latin American mestizos are attempting to do to us now.
I see that a moderator at OD has unjustly deleted my response to Reginald's libel while leaving his libel up. Whoever that moderator is should be reprimanded and immediately removed of his authority as he is in gross violation.
There's a new post at OD about smears... well there is smearing going on against me at their own blog and being protected by their moderator. It's outrageous and shameful.
whiskey
What did I tell you?
Women prefer HARD Ghetto guys over White beta losers any day of the week. Women love thugs, and Black/Hispanic guys do thug better than anyone else. White guys if they want to get in the game will have to thug it up HARD to keep up.
As for the Father, any attempt to put the kid in his place would have gotten his ass whipped. Kid was Mexican, and a thug. He’s got immunity to whip the Father’s ass, while Dad has to watch what he says before he gets his ass kicked and put in jail besides.
My guess in the multicultural future, most White guys will have to pump iron, learn some kind of martial art, and carry, carry, carry. Be willing to shoot it out and book, whenever and wherever. So its a self-solving problem — those that don’t get wiped out.
Women will be happy — women would rather live in mud and starvation but with bad boy thugs, than safety and security and boring betas.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/chicks-dig-jerks-game-is-its-own-status/#comments
The obsession with alleged black masculinity seems to be found more on borderline HBD blogs than white nationalist sites. A lot of HBDers aren't really pro-white either.
Sailer posting Andrei Freiboden's rantings about Oliver Stone:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/07/final-word-on-oliver-stone.html
What ethnicity do you guys think the name "Andrei" would be? It sounds southern European but may be slavic.
The obsession with alleged black masculinity seems to be found more on borderline HBD blogs than white nationalist sites. A lot of HBDers aren't really pro-white either.
Since when did juvenile psychopathy become the standard for masculinity. "Real men" are supposed to act like violent, drug-addled rapists with the mental age of a child? It's absurd.
The HBD community seems to treat Sailer as the godfather, so it definitely has a bias towards Jews, Mongoloids and Negroids.
http://www.isteve.com/hof-sizedoesmatter.htm
The HBD-sphere seems to be full of high-IQ but woefully insecure white males for whom the constant obsession with "beta white male losers" seems to be a lot of self-projection.
See here for proof: http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/07/adult-virgins.html
Their way of accepting their own insecurity is to create this sort of mythical vision of the "alpha male" as embodied by black men who are always stronger and sexually preferable as mates (neither of which are true) and then dragging down normal, healthy white people into their mud of despair and insecurity (witness Guy Weiss, Andrei Freiboden, Whiskey99). Perhaps being beat up by blacks contributes to it, I don't know.
This sort of envy and resentment of normal white males that Whiskey and Andrei Freiboden engage in smacks of the same sort of resentment that you see these short wimpy effeminate Jews engage in when they belittle the white working class and their values. I'm not saying they're Jews, just pointing out that their psychopathy targeted towards white males seems very similar.
There is also the discussion of the "game" cult - the people centered around Roissy who paint themselves as some kind of counter-feminists but are in reality engaged in a version of feminism for men - a libertine view of sexuality that rejects traditional sexual roles, traditional marital values, and promotes irresponsibility and disregard for the outcomes of a relationship. This hooks in to the false dichotomy of the alpha and beta male (as described above) in which the most revered type of male is the one who has absolutely no responsibility and invests nothing in his children. They then have the audacity to claim that science somehow backs up their views (which it doesn't). Really, "game" is just a bunch of groupthink to justify the sociopathic sexual frustrations of people who are the most deserving of a "beta male" classification.
The HBD community seems to treat Sailer as the godfather, so it definitely has a bias towards Jews, Mongoloids and Negroids. - Mark
I had an e-mail exchange with Sailer one time regarding the whole "Freiboden" sham, asking him why he keeps letting "Andrea" post under, like, a zillion different handles, even alluding to the fact that "she" is most likely a male homosexual internet troll, and he did not only seem to care, but thought he/she/it was a "great" movie "critic" and a "keen observer" of "physical asthetics".
Needless to say, I began to suspect his (Sailer's) sexual orientation at this point.
As well, I always found his palling around with the likes of the porn-addicted, anti-White and, especially anti-Nordish degenerates "razib" and "recman1" utterly disgusting.
Please dear readers - stop letting Sailer get away with his not-so-infrequent forays into the dark side.
...and he did not only seem to care...
That should real - and not only did he seem to not care...
whiskey
What did I tell you?
Women prefer HARD Ghetto guys over White beta losers any day of the week. Women love thugs, and Black/Hispanic guys do thug better than anyone else. White guys if they want to get in the game will have to thug it up HARD to keep up.
As for the Father, any attempt to put the kid in his place would have gotten his ass whipped. Kid was Mexican, and a thug. He’s got immunity to whip the Father’s ass, while Dad has to watch what he says before he gets his ass kicked and put in jail besides.
What's your stupid point?
(Actually, this sounds like typical, boilerplate "Freiboden" degeneracy here.)
What's your stupid point?
(Actually, this sounds like typical, boilerplate "Freiboden" degeneracy here.)
Sorry for attacking you dude, I didn't know that you were quoting the uber-dork "Whiskey" (next time, be sure to make it clearer that you are quoting something as degenerate as that).
Here is the original comment link of Testicle99 -
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/chicks-dig-jerks-game-is-its-own-status/#comment-192240
Citizen Sailer is a nauseating negrophile.
More comedy from whiskey from June 2010:
Whiskey said...
No country in Europe is more anti-Semitic than Sweden, which has whole-heartedly supported Palestinians since 1948, and actively collaborated with the Nazis in WWII.
No nation has more restrictive laws on publishing "hate facts" than Sweden, where an epidemic of rape of Swedish native girls by Muslim immigrants cannot by law be discussed. Indeed, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden are notoriously anti-Semitic. To the point where Swastikas are openly displayed, without consequence, and signs exhorting another "Final Solution" are routine. The few synagoges in these places must have armed guards at all times. Jews are routinely assaulted by both natives and Muslims in those nations. [Iceland during WWII had a strong pro-Nazi movement suppressed by the US Military.]
Blaming Jews for the anti-White hatred endemic in European nations (and European derived such as America) is a self-defeating conspiracy theory. That looks for the scapegoats and solves nothing.
Anti-White racism boils down to one uncomfortable truth: male (and female) attractiveness are not evenly distributed among races like every other human attribute.
Black, and to a lesser extent Hispanic, men are more attractive to women of all races than White and Asian men. Bruce Lee famously fretted over his build and worked out like crazy (perhaps provoking his stroke) to get that hooded back look. Asian men are considered "herby" and effeminate, Whites only less so. Black men are viewed more masculine, as are Muslim ME men and Hispanic men.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/06/brainwashed.html?showComment=1275691055885#c168172710082101376
Since when are squat brown mestizo men attractive to tall blonde-haired white women? LMAO.
Seriously that's even more retarded than the crap Andrei Freiboden spews out.
On a slightly related note, here is an article in Time discussing basically how the alpha/male dichotomy is false: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2007250,00.html?xid=rss-fullhealthsci-yahoo
Thanks for the link.
We see that it's not dominance but rather a kin-based relationship.
As it turns out, this research was based on a faulty premise: wolves in the wild, says L. David Mech, founder of the Minnesota-based International Wolf Center, actually live in nuclear families, not randomly assembled units, in which the mother and father are the pack leaders and their offspring's status is based on birth order. Mech, who used to ascribe to alpha-wolf theory but has reversed course in recent years, says the pack's hierarchy does not involve anyone fighting to the top of the group, because just like in a human family, the youngsters naturally follow their parents' lead.
Since when are squat brown mestizo men attractive to tall blonde-haired white women? LMAO.
Since never, a Nordic woman could easily best an Aztec mongrel in combat.
People like Freiboden and other negrophiles create fantasies of non-Whites because they have little or no exposure to them. Having gone to school with blacks and mestizos I can tell you that they are typically just as effete as any White nerd if not more so, they're just better at pretense. Blacks and mestizos operate more as pack animals, they will only fight you with the assistance of their friends. Even then they pick on the weakest, like a predator. They are inherent cowards.
If such a thing was universal you'd have to wonder why Asian females prefer White guys, especially Nordish guys.
When you discount the irrational behavior of younger women, and look at what late 20s and 30s women prefer, you will see it's White men.
Since when did juvenile psychopathy become the standard for masculinity. "Real men" are supposed to act like violent, drug-addled rapists with the mental age of a child? It's absurd.
Absolutely correct.
Let's never forget as well that "Roissy" is a mentally ill sexual degenerate who fools a lot of other mentally ill sexual degenerates with his (largely) fake, on-line "persona".
More Nordicism, less degeneracy.
I wonder if n/a has an opinion on Roissy? ;)
Andrei Freiboden is having a meltdown on Facebook today, I am told.
Andrei Freiboden is having a meltdown on Facebook today, I am told.
Ha ha, another mentally ill and sexually degenerate envious anti-Nordish basturd getting what 'he/she/it' deserves.
More Nordicism, less degeneracy!!
What ethnicity do you guys think the name "Andrei" would be? It sounds southern European but may be slavic.
What ethnicity do you guys think the name "Lars" would be? It sounds Spanish to me, or maybe Mexican.
details on meltdown?
Thanks to the people who posted those comments from various "HBD" sites - that sort of negrophilia is common on those sites and indicative of what a sewer "HBD" is.
I don't know where people get this idea that the HBD blogosphere is somehow "good for whites." It is and has from the beginning been led by degenerates and anti-white trolls from the beginning. Unz, Sailer, Razib and Roissy - wow, what a collection.
HBD exists not for our benefit but rather as another false opposition to divert attention away from explicitly white, revolutionary ethno-nationalism.
"HBD exists not for our benefit but rather as another false opposition to divert attention away from explicitly white, revolutionary ethno-nationalism."
Interesting. Would you say the same applies to the "Manosphere" (as typified by The Spearhead) and to the "anti-SWPL" community (as typified by HalfSigma)?
John Attarian on the failings of paleoconservatism:
“Still another [flaw of paleoconservatism] is a widespread reduction of history to an ethnic grudge match, attempting to elevate Anglophobia to a conservative principle, which it is not. This Anglophobia is frequently manifest in another paleoconservative preoccupation: revisionist history.”
From the endnotes:
“46. Indeed, considering that England was the civilizational father, demographic mother, and template of America, and that America’s history, civilization, and culture therefore make no sense apart from England, the Anglophobia frequently seen in paleoconservatism is baffling.”
Here's the link:
http://www.toqonline.com/archives/v4n1/TOQv4n1Attarian.pdf
"Attarian" doesn't sound very Nordic to me. Sounds Armenian. Does the Occidental Quarterly consider former subjects of the Ottomans to be their in-group?
"Sounds Armenian."
You're correct.
http://www.vdare.com/misc/attarian_armenian.htm
"Does the Occidental Quarterly consider former subjects of the Ottomans to be their in-group?"
Probably not all of them.
The Ottoman Empire was very large. It included an extremely large chunk of Europe, even including part of what is now Austria, along with areas that are very close to being in Europe, and some other areas like Egypt that are quite far from Europe.
Andrei Freiboden is having a meltdown on Facebook today, I am told.
Looks like its facebook is gone. What happened?
Does the Occidental Quarterly consider former subjects of the Ottomans to be their in-group?
It is a bit of a contradiction, they're using the Occident as America is said to be a proposition nation. Just believe in these values and presto you're Occidental!
White has now expanded to West Asia and North Africa.
They wonder why Nordicism exists, considering the standards for White it's absolutely necessary. Reminds me of the bumper sticker "President Nixon. Now more than ever." "Nordicism. Now more than ever!"
John Attarian Is Dead
ROME — Italy's fabled "Latin lovers" are missing the mark with foreign belles, according to a poll released on Sunday that said nearly four in five women tourists were unmoved by Italian men's charms.
Seventy-nine percent said they would not fall for an Italian, with many saying they lacked cheerfulness and a sense of humour (51 percent), while others complained they were childish (49 percent).
Another reason for the lack of attraction is that today's Italian men show more of their feminine than their masculine side, according to 57 percent of the 1,000 women polled by tourist and gastronomy magazine Vie del Gusto.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gLUp6IxaD-jYaonJYzk_iCeuGrzg
More vintage "Andrei's Freebottom" homo-eroticism of black males pretending to be pro-White and being "concerned" with the "White male psychology" -
I don't much care about black performing well in sports. Let them make their millions. But, I do care about black violence in the streets and public places(largely due to black arrogance that they do whatever cuz they are tougher and no one's gonna do anything about it), and I don't like the impact this bio-social reality has on white male psychology which either spins into Ken-Burns-like Negro-worshiping liberalism or resentful caste-football-clinging white supremacism(to suppress feelings of inferioritism) of the far right.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/07/final-word-on-oliver-stone.html?showComment=1280718431709#c5784449321328751066
More Nordicism, LESS DEGENERACY!!
Andrei keeps kvetching about the Caste Football website but when pressed on what he objects to specifically, he can't name anything.
Andrei always falls apart during debate which is why he blocked my account on Facebook and now refuses to answer my responses to his negrophilic sophistry on Alt Right.
Love that new slogan btw!
More "profound" "wisdom" from AltRight's greatest Zionist internet trannie - "Theya"
Victim mentality is often tiring, but there's a lot on the white right too. After all, much of what we say goes like this: "help, the blacks are raping our women; help, the Jews are castrating our men; help, the Mexicans are coming to take our jobs and commit child rape; help, the globalists are out to destroy our nation; help, the socialists are out to take away our freedom, etc, etc."
Many on the Right portray themselves as victims of Franz Boas, Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Frankfurt School, Hollywood, Wall Street, Harvard, MSM, you name it.
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/the-magazine/is-the-traditionalist-right-anti-semitic/#comment-65366432
You go "girl" -- keep setting us Honkies straight there!
Thanks for all your "helpful concern" for us as well, "Andrei"!
HBDBooks.com is gone
Is OD turning faileocon?
Kievsky thinks not mentioning race and "using our ready made Rush Limbaugh talking points" is the way to save our race. "Mangina" is Kievsky's new favorite word.
Given Kievsky's comment, it's more accurate to say OD is turning Dittohead
The neoconization/faileoconization of OD continues apace: Hunter Wallace wrote a positive review of Mark Steyn's America Alone
Wallace also changed OD's tagline from "Western Racial and Cultural Preservation" to "Unfashionable Observations on the American Scene"
OD Forum has been shut down
OD's About page before: "Occidental Dissent is a White Nationalist website. We support the creation of a Jew-free, racially exclusive White ethnostate in North America. We also advocate the ideal of White racial and cultural preservation in Europe and throughout the Western world."
OD's About page now: "Unfashionable Observations on the American Scene."
These developments on OD are not surprising. "Hunter Wallace" is a subversive. He's there to undermine WN from within. Just look at his past, and then take a careful look at what he is doing today. It is not difficult to see this.
The allegations of being a subversive are unsubstantiated. At worst, he's a bit of a headcase.
In the comments on that Steyn review:
Phil asks: Where are the links to other websites that used to be on the right side of the this website?
Hunter responds: Pending review.
It will be interesting to see if, after being "reviewed", if Andrei Freiboden's blog will remain on the blogroll or not.
Oy, the negrophiles of the HBD-sphere!
Anonymous said...
Black men have the most ripped muscular bodies by far.
If the question is: what is the best form of exercise?; then all you have to do is go to the urban areas of the country and ask the men thee what they do.
What I don't understand is why black men have the best male bodies but there women are usually dumpy wheres white women have the best female bodies but white men are soft and spindly.
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/08/real-western-men-lift-how-yoga-and.html?showComment=1280805862518#c7244406192715756659
Its incredibly comical how something that could and should be honorable objective scientific enquiry (HBDism) has turned into essentially a negrophilic and homoerotic circlejerk.
You have a bunch of wimpy, socially insecure, often virginal, white male losers (not to be confused with normal healthy white males) with a very unhealthy erotic obsession with black male physiques and project their personal insecurities upon everyone else by denigrating normal healthy white people as if everyone else is a skinny dorky virginal loser like they are.
Less degeneracy, more nordicism!
Royal scumbag Glenn Beck just did a segment on his show dissing Charles Davenport and Madison Grant. He was comparing eugenicists who "thought they knew what was best for people" with socialized health care proponents who also "think they know what's best for you". He also compared eugenicists to someone I'd never heard of from the 70's who advocated putting some drug in the water supply that would sterilize people as a means of population control. The segment reminded me of another phony opposition sleazeball, Alex Jones, who frequently rants about how the NWO elites want to bring back eugenics.
Glenn Beck is a bit of a negrophile himself. I flipped past him one time and caught him going on at length about "our black forefathers." Hey, speak for yourself there, Sparky. What a joke that guy is.
Beck, Limbaugh, Jones and others like them are sensationalists, they're there to entertain the masses and get rich.
Michael O’Meara:
“In [Emmanuel Faye’s] account (which should be taken as suggestive rather than authoritative), the [Nazi] party, in the year after the revolution, divided into two camps vis-à-vis racial matters: the camp of the Nordicists and that of the Germanists.
The Nordicists were led by Hans K. Günther, a former philologist, and had a “biologist” notion of race, based on evolutionary biology, which sought, through eugenics, to enhance the “Nordic blood” in the German population.”
Link
I would be a much bigger supporter of eugenics than I am now if I thought that it could really be effective at enhancing the amount of Nordic blood in a population. But I doubt that you could ever get many people to support a eugenics program that selected for a Nordic phenotype nowadays. People just don’t care that much about phenotype as long as everyone can be called mostly white. This is unfortunate because Nordic blood continues to disappear.
It's difficult to get non-Nordics to support Nordicism much like asking non-Whites to support White nationalism. Especially when non-Nordic men want access to Nordic women, as non-White men want White women.
What's surprising is how little value many if not most so-called White nationalists have in race beyond the generic White label. They're really not racialists at all, they're more male chauvinists. If there's going to be any miscegenation they want to be in charge of it like the Latin Americans.
It's difficult to get non-Nordics to support Nordicism much like asking non-Whites to support White nationalism.
Actually, it's pretty rare to find a Nordicist who comes close to matching the Nordic physical ideal. In fact I can't think of a single example.
How long before Hunter Wallace begins attacking white nationalism?
Arthur Kemp, one of the Internet's premiere Nordicists: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mWUJ2IySjL4/Ss-jvzIRQsI/AAAAAAAAASY/rdShD76whrQ/S1600-R/arthur-kemp-greasy.jpg
Not saying he's a wog or anything, but its clear that what passes for "Nordic" these days is very liberal.
OneStdv has another comment thread claiming negroes to be "natural alphas," and going on about alleged "beta-ness" of white men.
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/08/reality-vs-zumanity-death-to-white-beta.html
Whiskey found the OneSTDV thread, and is posting his insanity. That didn't take long.
Why not change this blog's name to "The Negrophile Report" and get it over with?
Actually, it's pretty rare to find a Nordicist who comes close to matching the Nordic physical ideal. In fact I can't think of a single example,
You could say that about any ideology or group. Even many of those in Nordic countries "may not be Nordic enough."
Nordish as defined by Richard McCulloch is practical and has a broader appeal.
Compared to what passes for White, I'd say Nordish preservation is vastly superior.
OneSTDV said...
You're right in that "alphaness" is surely higher amongst black males. But that's not at all the point of the ad. They're not making some empirically based statement on the sexual and racial preferences of American females.
I normally don't read garbage HBD blogs like his, especially the comment section, but I wanted to see his comment. Yeah, what a sick bastard, and it's such BS. How many black men has this guy ever known, probably a few from work or school.
Those blogs seem to fixate on proving biological differences with perversion and positive stereotyping of non-Whites while denigrating White men.
Negroes are not alphas, what nonsense, they've been enslaved since ancient times.
Good grief, how disgusting those HBD blogs are. If HBD ever had promise, it has become a hotbed of perverts and liars now. And if the creepy nerds who frequent these sites are the only people we are losing to racialism then perhaps we can consider HBD a blessing in disguise.
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Nordish as defined by Richard McCulloch is practical and has a broader appeal. - Mark
I started reading McCullough's work in 2008 and liked it a great deal. Considering that the majority of the American white population is still Nordish, I find it strange that McCullough hasn't caught on among American racialists - really, who has a better framework than he? His is probably the most workable racialist political vision for the America of today and it doesn't compromise much in terms of science either.
HBD needs more science and less garbage like "alpha male" and "beta male" (which is fallacious to use in the context of humans, as scientists only use these terms when it comes to pack animals).
If these socially inept virgins are not able to score chicks, that's reflective on their own inadequacies, not everyone else who isn't black.
The reason why black men "score" so often is because they're unable to maintain the type of relationships that are normal for whites - they simply go from one woman to the next. That's hardly indicative of "alphaness" or anything else that's praiseworthy.
I'd like to see one of these "game" tards just try to mount a scientific defense of their worldview. They can't, of course.
The reason why black men "score" so often is because they're unable to maintain the type of relationships that are normal for whites - they simply go from one woman to the next. That's hardly indicative of "alphaness" or anything else that's praiseworthy.
First thing you must recognize is blacks are pretentious braggarts, the "truth" to them is just a lie others haven't found out about yet.
Hey, if White nerds went after dogs and fatties they'd score a lot more too. The White nerd thinks he deserves a woman way out of his league.
I think there's something to relative status as well. Say a White nerd can't get a hot White chick but he may be able to get an Asian chick perceived to be higher status among Asians. Same may apply to White women and black men. Lisa Lampanelli, a comedian, is known for her raunchy style, interracial jokes and personal degeneracy. She claims she dates black men because she can't get an attractive White guy.
People who engage in miscegenation are defective.
What's funny is OneSTD and other HBDers are more offended by my racialism than all of that disgusting negrophilia. Those people are out of their minds.
"scientists only use these terms when it comes to pack animals"
More "used", in the past tense. It was found to be based on an inaccurate theory of wolves based on unrepresentative behavior in captivity.
Needless to say, I began to suspect his (Sailer's) sexual orientation at this point.
At the very least Sailer seems to have a homoerotic attraction to negroes.
Sailer, Freiboden, Whiskey, and Guy White probably all visit the same interracial pornography sites as Razib Newamul Khan.
I don't really read enough of Sailer to make a judgement call on him (he writes a lot - so one really has to pay attention and digest a lot of material). On a daily basis, I see very little from Sailer that makes me suspect that he's in the same league as Freiboden, Whiskey, or OneSTDV, but that's just my $.02.
Generally, I see playing up black abilities in certain areas like sprinting or basketball as a PC / non-racist way of talking about HBD / race differences. It's easier and more acceptable to ask questions about why blacks dominate (some sport) than it is to ask why whites are better at (anything else).
I'm not sure how the HBD community went from talking about black sprinters to obsessing about black genitalia and outright lying about black abilities. It's incredibly bizarre and quite frankly embarrassing.
How can you show HBD websites to people you'd like to convert when the comments and posts are littered with people like Whiskey and Freiboden talking about the genitalia of black men in an essentially homoerotic context?
I'm starting to think that at least some of the negrophilia out there is being perpetuated as a design to instill insecurity in the readership (nerdy, virginal white males) and also as a way of distracting and derailing the discussion (How many times has Andrei Freiboden derailed a topic on Alt Right with talks about black men ?).
Here's a thought, maybe Andrei Freiboden = Razib Khan. Both seem to have an obsession with black males and their genitals. Both seem to harbor a resentment towards white males, especially WN's.
"Here's a thought, maybe Andrei Freiboden = Razib Khan."
Nope. Andrei writes better.
n/a, I think you nailed it when you said that guys who promote the idea of white women wanting blacks over white men are doing so to explain away their own failings with white women. If they convince themselves that their own failures are due to an external reason(white women not wanting white men), then they will feel better about themselves because it isn't their fault. Here's another example: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1164144&postcount=45
(and several others in the same thread)
Nope. Andrei writes better.
Also Andrei appears to be a virgin.
Whereas I've fucked tons of white girls, including many blondes.
Razib doesn't strike me as a player, so either he's lying or paying for it.
Do you plan on marrying a woman from your own ethnic background, Razib?
Rajiv,
I'm guessing you use the word "tons" advisedly.
northwest reader,
I haven't looked at vnnforum in a while, but I suspect the poster you identified (and probably "balancedben" in the same thread) is a troll who has posted obsessively on that theme using dozens of different handles. "Amy Sikowski" is one of his other names that sticks in my mind. I once entertained the thought that he had some connection to Andrei, but his style is too distinctive and consistent over a period of years for them to be the same person. Most likely the vnnforum troll is a Richard Warman type.
Mark,
Nope, not lying and definitely not paying for it. I plan on marrying any woman I damn well please. Maybe it'll be one of your female relations, in which case you won't do anything about it aside from whine on the internet.
n/a,
You get no girls.
Cool story bro. Contrary to your bullshit, our women do not like effeminate Asian geeks like you. Especially when said geek also is insecure, has an arrogant streak, icky perversion and a simian countenance.
Epic fail, Scheisshaut.
Note to Newamul: When you masturbate to a woman on a porn site, you're not "fucking" her.
"One of the manifestations of this jealousy of the fair skin of the Nordics is shown in those numerous cases where members of the colored races, or even dark-skinned members of the Nordic regard the possession of a blonde woman as an assertion and proof of race equality. This has been true historically since the earliest times. It is more than ever in evidence at the present day."
Madison Grant. The Conquest of a Continent; or, The expansion of races in America. New York, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1933. p. 15.
Newamul does have an impressive lisp.
Glad you're climbing up the genetic ladder, Razib.
An effeminate lisper scribbling comments online flaunting his supposed sex life calls to mind "agnostic". It's safe to say GNXPers are in no danger of reproducing.
From another site, a piercing comment about Newamul:
Funny story about Razib. I was at Half Sigma’s blog once reading the comments when there was no censorship. Someone had posted a comment that started "Say you meet a woman..." Razib responded with something like "You have to understand, for many of Sigma’s readers meeting a woman is a hypothetical fantasy : )" Somebody named Henry responded with something like:
"Razib, I’ve seen you around different blogs insulting different readers along these lines. I don’t know why you do this and I really doubt that you’re one to talk. I saw you on BloggingHeads. My God, your voice and demeanor were absolutely painful to watch. You strike me as the ultimate Hindoo beta, who never touched a girl’s hand until working with her in the lab in Organic Chem 400."
The post was much better written than that. Unfortunately, Sigma took it down.
Months later, I saw Razib try to overcompensate for the insult at a blog post on TakiMag. Robert Stacy McCain wrote an article about redheads and how we’re all interested in whether their hair is natural. Khan responded "If a girl is natural, it doesn’t mean the interior matches. Going by personal data." Yea, I bet!
Another time, after the Mark Sanford thing, Razib wrote on TakiMag "The issue isn’t the fact that the guy had a hard breakup, we’ve all had those, but..."
He’s the most pathetic kind of beta. He throws tidbits about getting laid into his conversations to prove to the listener that he does. I’ve seen this kind of behavior in average IQ betas in real life, but Razib is the only I’ve seen one who needs that kind of validation talking on the internet. I’d bet my life saving he’s a virgin. Check him out on BloggingHeads and see.
People were just trashing the alpha/beta terminology popularized by Roissey on this very thread.
That sure didn’t last long.
“This has been true historically since the earliest times.”
No.
The first hint of admiration toward Nordics can be found in the works of Tacitus, who came long after the earliest historical times.
And in the works of Tacitus it’s the habits and culture of Nordics which were praised, as opposed to their physical appearance.
"Newamul does have an impressive lisp."
Where does the valley girl and/or surfer dude accent come from?
Anyway, still not quite as bad in the lisp department as Al Gore, and he got…
http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/3426-MM_Gore-kid.jpg
Never mind.
Here's a good post on Razib Khan.
From MR: I don’t think that I need to say much more about how well Razib writes and how suitable he is for writing on genetics and social policy or web designing. His shallowness shows in his redirecting HTTP referrers from MR to a filthy porn site showing mentally ill white women having sex with Negroes; he can’t win a debate with us and this is the best he can do.
We see more of his degenerate, spiteful behavior here.
Considering what a dark-skinned, ugly, effeminate subhuman this Razib creature is, I doubt he could even score with one of his fellow swarthoids. Just another mendacious third-world troll.
Listen to this guy talk and his head swaying, he's definitely homosexual. All of his boasting of scoring with White women is just to antagonize us. He doesn't even like women, he's a limp-wristed queer with a lisp and valley girl accent.
MR is correct, he's a terrible writer and thinker.
No.
The first hint of admiration toward Nordics can be found in the works of Tacitus, who came long after the earliest historical times.
And in the works of Tacitus it’s the habits and culture of Nordics which were praised, as opposed to their physical appearance.
Blondes Through the Ages: Are Nordics the most beautiful race?
Mrs. Pitman, who is the photography critic for the Times of London, reports that brunettes have wanted to be blondes since at least Classical times. The ancient Greeks, for example, clearly thought blonde women were the most beautiful. The poet Homer described the goddess Athena as having gray eyes and Aphrodite, the goddess of love, as having blonde hair. One of the most famous and most visited sculptures of the ancient world was the Aphrodite of Knidos, sculpted by Praxiteles in 360 B.C. She had blonde hair — the Greeks painted their statues, so there was no mistake about this — as did the myriad copies of this statue that decorated the temples, gardens, and villas of the Greek city-states. Pliny the Elder wrote that people traveled great distances to marvel at this beautiful and even erotic sculpture. One man was so overcome with desire for the blonde Aphrodite, that late one night he sneaked into the temple to be alone with the statue: “He embraced it intimately; and a stain bears witness to his lust.” ...
Mrs. Pitman reports that the Romans were no less enamored of blonde hair than the Greeks. They, too, portrayed their goddess of love, Venus, with light skin and blonde hair. The Romans had long known of the fair-haired Celts, and military conquests in Gaul and Britain brought them in contact with even more Celtic and Germanic tribes. The result was a wave of blonde envy among the aristocratic ladies of Rome, an envy no doubt prompted by the admiration Roman men showed for the fair-haired women of the north. Roman women took to wearing blonde wigs, made from the hair of captured or slain northern European women, or dyed their own hair blonde with expensive saffron dyes. Other bleaching agents included such things as sapo (goat’s fat mixed with beechwood ashes), Batavian pomade (a dying soap), lees (sediment of wine or vinegar), and pigeon dung.
Mark,
"Internet celebrity" has its benefits. It certainly pays more sexual dividends than what you're relegated to: social invisibility in real life and anonymity on the internet.
But what are you going to do about it? What can you do about it, besides type away at your keyboard and whine like a little bitch? Nothing. Because you're a pussy.
Newamul,
Evolution has fucked you up more than Mark ever could. You taunt your racial superiors because you're bitter about the immutability of being a mud, and you realize that, no matter with whom you mate, you will pass that on to your kids. Look on the bright side, though- maybe they won't be lisping faggots.
Hahaha, "mud". It's been years since I saw that word.
You guys are fucking oldschool.
Really, I can sympathize. The older generation of WNs is seeing their turf being invaded from all sides.
HBDers have of course siphoned away many intelligent people, who in the past would have been the intelligentsia of the WN movement.
Spearhead-type men's rights activists are directing white male anger towards white females, rather than towards a white nationalist fervor.
And last but not least, the widespread acceptance of the "SWPL" term has redirected a lot of conservatives' ire from just Jews towards a now clearly-identifiable wider group of mostly white gentile leftists.
Sucks to be you.
And last but not least, the widespread acceptance of the "SWPL" term has redirected a lot of conservatives' ire from just Jews towards a now clearly-identifiable wider group of mostly white gentile leftists.
Sorry, but I don't think many people are buying this crap, despite the efforts of Jews like HalfSigma, Whiskey, and Mencius Moldbug to promote it nonstop.
LMAO @ GNXP making you an "internet celebrity". I'm sure you've got a massive female readership.
HBDers have of course siphoned away many intelligent people, who in the past would have been the intelligentsia of the WN movement.
Bullshit. HBD is composed almost entirely of chinks and kikes. Everyone else can see that it's a vehicle for the advancement of non-white interests.
Other Anonymous guy:
I think your appraisals indicate that you're a bit sheltered. Perhaps a trip through In Mala Fide's extensive blogroll would be enlightening for you.
And that reminds, I forgot to mention Roissy and the entire "PUASphere". Though that gang is closely related to the MRAs, just mixing in lust with their resentment.
Razib's chimpout is hilarious. I didn't even think he wasted his time here. I guess our worldview isn't so easy to dismiss after all.
All of this sexual frustration from him just because I accused him of being Andrei Freiboden (admittedly half joking at the time).
C'mon, I know one of you guys is just pulling our chain here by impersonating him. He can't really be this big of a loser and sexually insecure nerd, can he?
The most hilarious irony of all re: Razib's nerd-rage apoplectic fit is that the supposedly "great intellect" resorts to a tried-and-true formula: The "muh dik" post. True colors, and all that.
Perhaps a trip through In Mala Fide's extensive blogroll would be enlightening for you.
In Mala Fide is another uninteresting writer like Half Sigma and Guy White whose mission in life appears to be making HBD safe for Jews.
Steve Sailer remains the king of HBD and he's gotten more critical of the Jews over time (in his own passive-aggressive way of course), so I don't see Jews as dominating this area of discourse yet.
In Mala Fide is another uninteresting writer like Half Sigma and Guy White whose mission in life appears to be making HBD safe for Jews.
Regardless of that, he maintains one of the most extensive set of links in that blogosphere. I didn't recommend reading his blog.
Regardless of that, he maintains one of the most extensive set of links in that blogosphere. I didn't recommend reading his blog.
An "extensive set of links" (to blogs read by hardly anyone) is inconsequential.
HBDers have of course siphoned away many intelligent people, who in the past would have been the intelligentsia of the WN movement.
Spearhead-type men's rights activists are directing white male anger towards white females, rather than towards a white nationalist fervor.
And last but not least, the widespread acceptance of the "SWPL" term has redirected a lot of conservatives' ire from just Jews towards a now clearly-identifiable wider group of mostly white gentile leftists.
And that reminds, I forgot to mention Roissy and the entire "PUASphere". Though that gang is closely related to the MRAs, just mixing in lust with their resentment.
A forthright admission that the "HBD", "men's rights", and "anti-SWPL" "movements" are fervently hostile to the interests of Euros.
"HBD" consists of philosemites, asiaphiles, and negrophiles attempting to swindle Euros into believing their interests coincide with those of Jews and Asians.
"Men's rights"/"Game"/"PUASphere" seeks to drive a wedge of hatred and hostility between white men and white women.
"Anti-SWPL" is running interference for Jews.
the widespread acceptance of the "SWPL" term
Excessive use of this term on a few niche blogs does not connote "widespread acceptance".
HBDers are shockingly ill-informed about the history of the scientific study of race. They seem to think the study of heredity and racial differences is brand new and began with Charles Murray, Richard Herrnstein, Arthur Jensen, Steve Sailer, and Half Sigma.
Apparently they have never heard of people like Francis Galton, Charles Davenport, Harry Laughlin, Eugen Fischer, etc.
Science has never been on the side of the "race does not exist" crowd.
"Anti-SWPL" is running interference for Jews.
Well, the SWPL concept was pioneered by Christian Lander who, judging by his first name, is no Jew.
But you could say that it has, inadvertently, taken the heat off of Jews by socially constructing a sort of new ethny ("the whiter people") with distinctive and instantly identifiable characteristics.
Essentially, the old WN mantra of "Name the Jew!" is replaced with "Name the SWPL!". Instead of looking for hooked noses, we look for horn-rimmed glasses.
Some assertions made by Scotch-Irish "Whiskey": said the "WASP-Harvard mafia" controls Hollywood; said Irish/Celtic raconteurs are more responsible for the diversity racket than Jews; called Susan Sontag and Norman Mailer "SWPL yuppies"; said the Weather underground was made up of "privileged WASPs", not Jews; constantly denigrates white men and white women; constantly hypes the masculinity of black males; heaped praise upon Jewish women, Jewish men, and Jewish mothers-in-law; constantly says bombing Iran is of vital importance.
Well, the SWPL concept was pioneered by Christian Lander who, judging by his first name, is no Jew.
It's hardly an original concept. "Bobos" (bourgeois bohemians) has been a term for a while. In any case, if you read Lander's stuff, it's mainly just observational humor - there is not some great hostility to "SWPLs" in it. It was Jews like Whiskey, Half Sigma, and Moldbug (and you, I take it) that have been trying to turn it into a big anti-White thing.
But you could say that it has, inadvertently, taken the heat off of Jews...
Inadvertently. Ahahahahaha. Jews crack me up.
"Excessive use of this term on a few niche blogs does not connote ;widespread acceptance'."
Yeah. I dare anyone to go up to someone on the street and use the term "SWPL".
99 times out of 100 they aren't going to have any idea what you're talking about.
Rajiv,
Before, I could have almost believed you had "succeeded" in banging a few fat chicks. Your attempt to lend plausibility to your story actually makes me more skeptical. If you rely on your grade of "internet celebrity" to pull white womens, they've got to be even more busted up than I imagined.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the posts. To the extent you are believed, you offer a perfect counterexample to Whiskey's hysterical attempts at demoralization: anyone can "get women" by knowing his level and adjusting his standards accordingly.
Please keep up the open hostility toward whites. The internet tough guy act when we all know you would be ragdolled by 95% of white men is a nice touch.
Anonymous,
"HBDers have of course siphoned away many intelligent people, who in the past would have been the intelligentsia of the WN movement."
I'm not terribly worried about attempts by people like Rajiv and Half Sigma to co-opt race-realism to further their ethnic interests. White men with properly-functioning endocrine systems who are exposed to "HBD" will move in a WN direction. Those without may use "HBD" to justify their pining for Asian women and cringing before black men, but few of these would have ever become WN anyway. The "WN intelligentsia" (such as it is) is as strong as it's ever been.
LOL.
Why are you mad, though?
IDGI. You know that's shopped right? And that supposed to be a white guy or a desi? For Razib's sake you probably don't want to go there. What's the average in India, like 4?
Yeah. I dare anyone to go up to someone on the street and use the term "SWPL".
Just to clarify, everything I've said in this thread is in the context of the broader "politically incorrect" blogosphere, where the ideological struggle I described is taking place.
Of course the ideas of WN, HBD, MRA, PUA, and all the rest of the acronyms are all virtually unknown in broader society.
n/a,
No, sorry but I'm sure I've fucked more white girls, including blondes, than you have and ever will. And of much better quality, too. And I'll continue doing so while you, um, type away and post about Carleton Coon or something for all six of your readers.
Tough guy act? What tough guy act? There's no need for it when I'm just addressing an anonymous, cowardly, virginal pussy who doesn't even have the balls to put his name and face out there.
Rajiv,
Keep going -- you're thoroughly impressing me. How long after the "Junior Unz Fellowship" money runs out do you think until you have your Omar Thornton moment?
There's no need for it when I'm just addressing an anonymous, cowardly, virginal pussy who doesn't even have the balls to put his name and face out there. - RK
LOL, this from the wog who, along with his dominant partner GC, was well-known for banning anyone who disagrees with him on GNXP and subsequently deleting all their posts. You are not anyone to be talking about cyber-cowardice.
And everyone here still knows you are a lying, insecure, delusional pervert.
You're being trolled, Razib always posts comments with all-lowercase letters
Right, I'm pretty sure it's Tudge.
Who is Tudge?
Half-Jewish teenager "The Undiscovered Jew".
n/a,
Since I get more and better quality white girls, including blondes, than you do, why would I have an "Omar Thornton moment"? If I ever do, it'll be after an anonymous, cowardly, virginal pussy like you grows the balls to put your name and face out there.
So, after soliciting violence from Mark, "Razib Khan" makes a death threat against n/a. You're on dangerous ground, whoever you are.
English Woman Speaks Frankly About Difficulties of Having Mixed-Race Baby with Man from India
Lowri Turner
Daily Mail, UK, 13 July 2007
"She's getting very dark, isn't she?" This is what one of my friends recently said about my much adored - 12-week-old daughter.
She didn't mean to be rude. But it was a comment that struck me with the force of a jab to the stomach.
Immediately, I was overwhelmed by a confusion of emotions. I felt protective, insulted, worried, ashamed, guilty, all at once. The reason? My lovely, wriggly, smiley baby is mixed race.
More:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-467787/I-love-mixed-race-baby--does-feel-alien.html
Razib,
No matter how many white women you sleep with, you will never be white.
You are a man of color.
Why do you hate women of color so much?
I contacted Razib, he said he didn't leave those comments.
Considering The Undiscovered Jew has an irrational hatred of Nordicists it's likely him.
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/jack_donovan_manly_suicidal_faggot_to_the_right/
Check out Greg Johnson and other assorted crazies in this thread. I can’t believe that madman was the editor of The Occidental Quarterly (a supposed scholarly journal) until recently. Kevin MacDonald has associated with Johnson for a long time and I even remember hearing him speak respectfully of him in a Jim Giles interview (another nut). All of this makes me think much less of everyone associated with TOQ/TOO (though certain other articles and statements had already given me a good deal of skepticism about them).
LOL. I also think that's probably a troll pretending to be Razib, though I wouldn't doubt Razib holds the same views.
re: Greg Johnson MR thread
Indeed, the TOQ bunch looks ridiculous from that thread. Greg Johnson is outed as a homosexual by Hunter Wallace as well, which some have suspected him of being.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW09fGSp1mE
re: Johnson
Linder outed him a long time ago.
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=105610
I don't care if a white man is queer as long as he's (1) pro-white, (2) against all forms of gay marriage, (3) not a gay activist, (4) believes heterosexuality is the norm and doesn't try to normalize homosexuality, and (5) is a racial advocate for the interests of whites.
HW is clearly the better man in that exchange. Johnson comes off as a loon, along with many others at MR.
n/a is a voice of reason in that mind-poisoning thread. Seriously, what a pack of jackals they are at MR. It's very similar to VNN, except not as lowbrow but still pretty close.
They keep repeating that HW will turn anti, like they want him to so they can feel superior and correct. Considering their extreme hostility and raving lunacy, could you blame him if he did? Who in the hell wants to be around that much negativity.
You wonder how people can go from White nationalist to anti, these people give good reason. Their maniacal personalities turn you against them.
You wonder how people can go from White nationalist to anti, these people give good reason.
A person of good character would not abandon being a racialist simply because they encountered some jerks or crazies within the internet racialist circles.
That said, where is the evidence that Fade/Hunter has abandoned racialism? What we call "white nationalism" has not yielded any results in decades so it is understandable he is distancing himself from that particular label. The focus of his blog is still pro-white from what I can see.
A person of good character would not abandon being a racialist simply because they encountered some jerks or crazies within the internet racialist circles.
I agree, only problem is it's not a few people here and there, unfortunately the inmates are running the asylum.
That said, where is the evidence that Fade/Hunter has abandoned racialism? What we call "white nationalism" has not yielded any results in decades so it is understandable he is distancing himself from that particular label. The focus of his blog is still pro-white from what I can see.
There is none, it's wishful thinking on their part. That's how sick these people are, they actually want to turn a good White man away for their own petty reasons.
Hunter Wallace is not going to go openly "anti", he's going to keep pretending to be a WN and keep promoting whatever he thinks will cause harm to the movement. That is what he has done over his entire known history and there is no reason to believe that he has stopped or will stop at some point in the future.
He and his co-bloggers have been harping on how there's too much "anti-Semitism" for a while now (though they also "name the Jew" on occasion to give themselves credibility). Lately HW has been promoting pretty typical tea party kosher conservatism about how it's not about race, but about "Reds" vs. "Blues". The whole point is to divert attention away from the critical issues of race and Jewish power, and divide whites along arbitrary lines as a means of weakening them.
Hunter Wallace claims that as an "activist" he has to make compromises in order to "get things done in the real world" but the truth is that he has not done squat that could be called real world activism. He is promoting ideas online like the rest of us, except the ideas he promotes are bad for white people.
I know that people have reasons for not liking VNN, but everyone needs to read this thread on Hunter Wallace of Occidental Dissent. What makes you think this guy is a quality character? Remember that this password- and credit card number-stealing dirtbag is the same motherfucker who is always lecturing others on the importance of "character". What a fucking dick.
Hunter didn't steal any passwords. That was his Jew buddy Iceman/Metal Gear/Kane123123. He is only guilty in so far much as he was aware of it and egged him on. To claim Hunter is a password stealer is a big stretch.
Linder smears him simply because Linder smears anyone who disagrees with his exterminationist POV.
In the last open thread, I suggested that Richard Hoste and Hunter Wallace were both anti-WN infiltrators, and pointed out a number of characteristics that both had in common. Now that Richard Hoste has taken down his blog (hbdbooks.com) after a brief stint as an immigration-promoting libertarian, and Hunter Wallace is attacking WN in favor of tea party kosher conservatism, it looks like I was on to something.
Richard Hoste never claimed to be White nationalist. He didn't infiltrate anything.
The split at OD has cleared out a LOT of the trash from both posters and commentators, much better now.
Hunter tried having a big tent and inviting in lots of VNN scum and other defectives, it just won't work. Better he does his own thing and runs a tight ship.
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