tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post1282998061526020880..comments2024-01-27T00:27:45.851+00:00Comments on race/history/evolution notes: "WASP" decline: two papersn/ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02378473351485233448noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-14565537185245424962009-04-30T20:47:00.000+01:002009-04-30T20:47:00.000+01:00What intellectual battle? Boaz's data was fraudule...What intellectual battle? Boaz's data was fraudulent. It's like the Sierra Club, where the environment was definitely impacted by immigration until some guy gives you a $100 million dollars with the proviso that you shut f*ck up about immigration. In that case you'll accept any lie to show immigration is good for the environment. <br /><br />Desmond JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-39594971993683259572009-04-30T04:26:00.000+01:002009-04-30T04:26:00.000+01:00I was talking about the intellectual battle. You'...I was talking about the intellectual battle. You're not seriously going to pretend normal human emotion is absent from that arena, are you?silverhttp://accidentaldissent.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-88307311349341173042009-04-29T21:46:00.000+01:002009-04-29T21:46:00.000+01:00"The nordicists appealed to reason and lost; the r...<I>"The nordicists appealed to reason and lost; the race-deniers appealed to emotion and won."</I>No, the race-deniers appealed to capital, and ethnic interest and won.<br /><br />Desmond JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-23443442923169091272009-04-27T09:41:00.000+01:002009-04-27T09:41:00.000+01:00What I meant by "appealed to emotion" is that alth...What I meant by "appealed to emotion" is that although their arguments were intellectual, they had the advantage of appealing to what most people <I>want</I> to believe.silverhttp://accidentaldissent.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-82824480156403182872009-04-27T09:09:00.000+01:002009-04-27T09:09:00.000+01:00No analysis can afford to ignore the role of the n...No analysis can afford to ignore the role of the <I>nature</I> of the resistance that <I>was</I> put up, ie the Lothrop Stoddards and the Madison Grants. That left intellectual opponents no choice but to resort the most extreme race denial, for the binary logic of race mattering as much as the nordicists insisted meant the immigrants would have to be sent packing. The nordicists appealed to reason and lost; the race-deniers appealed to emotion and won.silverhttp://accidentaldissent.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-54888959397106282172009-04-23T23:56:00.000+01:002009-04-23T23:56:00.000+01:00That's essentially Kaufmann's view ("WASPs" did it...That's essentially Kaufmann's view ("WASPs" did it to themselves), but I don't think that's the whole story.n/ahttp://racehist.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-42523460003557671582009-04-23T16:50:00.000+01:002009-04-23T16:50:00.000+01:00I've been slowly coming around to the view that th...I've been slowly coming around to the view that the old WASPS lost their hegemony because, excepting a few outliers, they just didn't care to sustain it. Matters of ideology and business consumed their energies while an increasingly aristocratic insouciance was adopted toward matters of ethnic survival and cultural continuity.<br /><br />As I write this I am reminded of American WASPS like Henry Ford, who reached out to negros and arabs as a source of cheap labor for his factories. The betrayal of one's nation was daily practice for these myopic idiots.Notuswindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-35921346743229093272009-04-23T08:21:00.000+01:002009-04-23T08:21:00.000+01:00A more complete version of Wright's paper is avail...A more complete version of Wright's paper is <A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=0f5Grm_DkCoC&pg=PA31&dq=%22The+Identity+and+Changing+Status+of+Former+Elite+Minorities" REL="nofollow">available at least in part at Google books</A> (in <I>Rethinking ethnicity</I>, ed. Kaufmann).n/ahttp://racehist.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-86340078285328396952009-04-23T06:35:00.000+01:002009-04-23T06:35:00.000+01:00Thanks for pointing out that Wright paper. I reall...Thanks for pointing out that Wright paper. I really liked Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks & White Liberals", which has a number of ethnic archetypes, and Amy Chua's World on Fire. I'm also reminded of Mencius Moldbug, who seems to seek out groups like the Northern Irish, southern Redeemers, Afrikaners, Rhodies, piedes-noires, Turkish imperialists and other hated ex-dominants with which to sympathize. He'd also say Israel fits the pattern, though I imagine you'd have something to say about that.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.com