tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post6940005789221925881..comments2024-01-27T00:27:45.851+00:00Comments on race/history/evolution notes: Ancient Irish genomes confirm Bronze Age steppe incursionn/ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02378473351485233448noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-4976718407874793772016-03-28T05:16:02.165+01:002016-03-28T05:16:02.165+01:00Yes, modern Irish people do reflect more of the Br...Yes, modern Irish people do reflect more of the Bronze Age characteristics. Most Irish have the R1b Y-haplogroup, blue eyes and are pale.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10732291231680306023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-69356256796793290822016-02-07T08:20:43.060+00:002016-02-07T08:20:43.060+00:00@hailtoyou
I think those percentages are flawed. ...@hailtoyou<br /><br />I think those percentages are flawed. North Atlantids should be making a much higher percentage in Ireland. Anyway, since Bell Beakers have partial steppe origins, it would only be natural for them to be mostly some reduced or unreduced Cro-Magnoid types and this is already what I know about their phenotypes, though I do not know the percentages of the subtypes in Bell Beakers. As for genetics, thanks to the advances in ancient DNA research we now know how Ireland was heavily colonized/replaced by Bell Beakers during the Bronze Age, and this is not just haplogroup but also autosome research:<br /><br />http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.abstractOnur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-3658932609305899472016-02-07T04:14:47.827+00:002016-02-07T04:14:47.827+00:00Onur,
For lack of a better source at hand, here is...Onur,<br />For lack of a better source at hand, here is Richard McCollough's estimate:<br /><br />Ireland<br />40% Brünn (indigenous Paleolithic inhabitants, most common in the west), <br />30% Keltic Nordic (most common in the east), <br />9% North-Atlantid, <br />9% Borreby<br />3% Palaeo-Atlantid, <br />3% Trønder, <br />2% Noric, <br />2% Anglo-Saxon, <br />1% Hallstatt Nordic<br /><br />Brünn: "Mostly unreduced, typically dolicho- or mesocephalic and mostly depigmented Upper Palaeolithic survivor of Cro-Magnid provenience" (<a href="http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-brunn.htm" rel="nofollow">SNPA</a>)<br />Borreby: "Mostly unreduced, brachycephalized, and depigmented Upper Paleolithic survivor of Cro-Magnoid stock" (<a href="http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-borreby.html" rel="nofollow">SNPA</a>)<br /><br />Brunn plus Borreby alone is half, and an implied clear majority in the west (acc. to McCollough).<br /><br />If western Irish stock is predominantly Cro-Magnid (Upper Paleolithic), according to the physical anthropologists and here sketched out by McCollough, well that <i>doesn't fit</i> with what the geneticists are proposing here, as I read it, of a total population replacement in the Bronze Age. <br /><br />In the Bronze Age Replacement scenario, the western Irish (who were subject to less genetic flow from England, etc. over time) should be completely devoid of Cro-Magnid stock today. All replaced by, presumably, Nordid or Mediterranid strains, as those waves were. Am I right? Do you follow this?<br /><br />The only way this makes sense is if the people replacing the aboriginal Irish in the Bronze Age were also of Cro-Magnid stock to some degree, which I don't think is being proposed. As usual, I don't fully understand academics' jargon, and it may only be talking about Y chromosomes, which is only a small piece of the overall story. There are mechanisms I can conceive of by which Y chromosome lines can be nearly totally replaced over time but overall ancestral stock is not influenced nearly so dramatically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-63218404438751145792016-02-06T13:06:50.233+00:002016-02-06T13:06:50.233+00:00@hailtoyou
If it is true that the Irish are desce...@hailtoyou<br /><br /><i>If it is true that the Irish are descended from Bronze Age invaders (or is that only male lines?), why do they look rather more Cro-Magnid than the European average?</i><br /><br />Do they? Atlantids look nothing like Cro-Magnids and have Aurignacoid origins instead. Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-7707108942696572662016-02-06T12:50:45.208+00:002016-02-06T12:50:45.208+00:00If it is true that the Irish are descended from Br...If it is true that the Irish are descended from Bronze Age invaders (or is that only male lines?), why do they look rather more Cro-Magnid than the European average?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-8857579125085233932016-01-07T17:38:11.524+00:002016-01-07T17:38:11.524+00:00Anonymous,
Ireland was a british plantation during...Anonymous,<br />Ireland was a british plantation during long time of their history. if irish people had some cognitive potential to be developed (and it's obvious that they does) britz(krieg) contribute a lot to retard this development. Ireland is historically analogous to Armenia, Lebanon and Poland.<br /><br />Poland and Ireland are two very similar countries. Non-latin catholics, predominantly rural during most part of their history... seems, succumbed by powerfull neighbor countries, with greater percentage of light eyes and with great migration. Santocultonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-13064296438181209002016-01-02T09:33:58.676+00:002016-01-02T09:33:58.676+00:00but i am a total eye color "racist"...no...but i am a total eye color "racist"...nothing but blue eyes for four generations in my family...and before idk...<br /><br />the whole <i>Der Mythus des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts</i> is based on it.<br /><br />sorry brown-eyeds. we have stars on thars. https://seussblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/143056e8473127ab6a665773884132bc.jpg?w=640<br /><br />but just like language, contra the pc thought police, eye color is important...not for the color but for what it says about one's ancestors...most of the time...<br /><br />there's even a theory that blue eyes spread because women found them so sexy. sexual selection. <br />http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VeGi-XrsuB8/TKnhi9ezU0I/AAAAAAAAELQ/yPst0yxtzHA/s1600/1SteveMc1.pngAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-45027018623075582232016-01-02T09:24:56.227+00:002016-01-02T09:24:56.227+00:00funny thing about the irish and HBD-tards...
they...<b>funny thing about the irish and HBD-tards...<br /><br />they're notorious drunks...YET were the very first to distil alcohol in europe and can claim the very first scholastic worthy of note John Scotus Eriugena...<br /><br />i mean come on. ireland is at the very outer edge of europe.<br /><br />it's like fucking portugal.<br /><br />geography explains ireland's under-achievement.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-4548271746842671602016-01-02T09:20:21.690+00:002016-01-02T09:20:21.690+00:00as usual i don't get the point of n/a's hi...as usual i don't get the point of n/a's highlights.<br /><br />the irish are the irish are the irish...from the bronze age...except they had blue eyes...except...<br /><br />the british isles are weird...are they not?<br /><br />the concentration of blue eyes is significantly less that that of...how shall i put it...the part of western europe which was never conquered by the romans...which isn't to say the romans had anything to do with it.<br /><br />basically the same part of western europe where one sees SOCIALISM, SMALL GINI, HIGH MOBILITY.<br /><br />but there's even a trope, "the black irish".<br /><br />and...<br /><br />john, paul, george, and ringo?<br /><br />one had blue eyes?...<br /><br /><b>the one that no less than bobby fischer thought was jewish...listen to his interview from jail in japan.<br /><br />if booby were a girl i'd've sucked her cock.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com