tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post4568378154941248375..comments2024-01-27T00:27:45.851+00:00Comments on race/history/evolution notes: "WASPs" vs. Jews, notes 4n/ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02378473351485233448noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-89403507889477969352009-02-10T04:09:00.000+00:002009-02-10T04:09:00.000+00:00The evidence suggests otherwise.The <A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=%22bob+jones%22+%22interracial+dating%22&btnG=Search" REL="nofollow">evidence suggests</A> otherwise.n/ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02378473351485233448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-63293262428767787872009-02-06T06:01:00.000+00:002009-02-06T06:01:00.000+00:00I agree that it is far more acceptable for Jews to...I agree that it is far more acceptable for Jews to openly promote in-group marriage. I think if other groups did so on a religious rather than ethnic angle it would be considered more acceptable.<BR/><BR/>I hear that the Parsis are in danger of disappearing because they are such attractive marriage partners to others in India.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-10025635374876433312009-02-05T21:43:00.000+00:002009-02-05T21:43:00.000+00:00Rienzi's calculations & comments:"Com...Rienzi's calculations & comments:<BR/><BR/>"Combined with differential birthrates, America’s Jews will become more Orthodox and, likely, more ethnocentric in coming decades.<BR/><BR/>Even if the outmarriage rate is 50% that is still indicative of a resistance to assimilation. I combined Dr. Alba’s intermarriage data for white gentile ethnic groups with census data for ethnic group percentages. Plotting rates of intermarriage (to someone of completely different ethnicity) of white gentile groups vs. percent of US population yields a trendline formula of:<BR/>Y = -2.4172x + 87.895<BR/><BR/>If the Irish are 10.8% of the US population, they would be expected to have an outmarriage rate of 61.9%. The measured rate, by Alba = 64.9%. That’s a good match and probably within statistical error of the predicted.<BR/><BR/>Jews? If Jews are 3% of the population, their predicted outmarriage rate would be 80.7% - a figure which can be compared to what is above, and which is obviously representative of a real, and wide, difference between predicted and actual. <BR/><BR/>Despite the recent rise in Jewish intermarriage – and the outcry this has caused – the fact remains that Jews, compared to other groups considered white are resisting intermarriage and assimilation. Further, the combination of the increase in the more Orthodox, as well as “interventions” to inhibit the growth of intermarriage among the others, means that this resistance to assimilation is likely to harden in coming decades.<BR/><BR/>Note as well that of America’s “white” groups, only Jews have prominent mainstream individuals and organizations denouncing intermarriage and doing so with impunity, the example of Elliot Abrams being instructive in this regard."<BR/><BR/>Desmond JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-28139617378170586562009-02-05T05:55:00.000+00:002009-02-05T05:55:00.000+00:00To be honest, I haven't actually read any of M...To be honest, I haven't actually read any of MacDonald's books and it will probably be quite a while before I get to that one.<BR/><BR/>When we talk about Jews today, we are mostly talking about Reform (maybe conservative) Ashkenazi Jews in America. I'm not so interested in the rates of Senators as Jews more generally. I would expect Israel to be different, where I believe Ashkenazim are not even the majority (and of them the ultra-Orthodox make up a higher percentage than in America). Maybe if I lived in Israel I'd care. The behavior of these Middle Eastern/ultra-Orthodox Jews seems more like that of pre-emancipation Jewry. Kevin MacDonald & Yuri Slezkine are more focused on the post-emancipation Culture of Critique/mercurianism or whatever.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-49240005934969463622009-02-04T21:17:00.000+00:002009-02-04T21:17:00.000+00:00Also see the final chapter of Separation and Its D...Also see the final chapter of <I>Separation and Its Discontents</I> (<A HREF="http://tv.isg.si/site/ftpaccess/elogedusavoir/Separation%20and%20Its%20Discontents%20-%20Toward%20an%20Evolutionary%20Theory%20of%20Anti-Semitism.pdf" REL="nofollow">pdf</A>).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-26759516851970506422009-02-04T19:09:00.000+00:002009-02-04T19:09:00.000+00:00Kevin MacDonald addresses "high" Jewish intermarri...Kevin MacDonald addresses "high" Jewish intermarriage rates <A HREF="http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/blog-Marriage.htm" REL="nofollow">here</A>. <BR/><BR/>What's interesting is that Jewish Senators are now <I>less</I> likely to be intermarried.<BR/><BR/><I>The twenty-three Jewish senators are similar to others in the power elite in a number of ways. Almost all have been married, some more than once. Of the six marriages by the five Jewish men elected to the Senate between 1949 and 1963, half were to non-Jews (Gruening's wife, Neuberger's wife, and Javits' first wife). In contrast, <B>almost all of the Jewish men and women elected to the Senate after 1963 have married Jews</B>. Although the national trend has revealed an increasing likelihood of marrying outside the faith, the more recently elected Jewish senators have been more, not less, likely to marry Jewish partners. This, too, suggests <B>the pressure for Jewish politicians to assimilate may have decreased over time</B>.</I><BR/>[Domhoff and Zweigenhaft. Diversity in the Power Elite. p. 35.]<BR/><BR/>The genomic data leaves scant room to deny that Ashkenazim have heretofore formed an evolutionary unit. <I>Out</I>ward gene flow is not going to change that. <BR/><BR/>Whether or not one accepts the idea of Judaism as a "group evolutionary strategy", ethnic conflict is real. Jews are distinct from America's founding majority; the former give little indication of having the latter's best interests at heart, and why should they? Anyway, I'm less interested in defending MacDonald's theoretical framework, and more interested in dealing with facts. The record suggests "WASP" wariness of clannish, grasping Jews was well-placed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-227780861638767023.post-16916098169696205822009-02-04T05:20:00.000+00:002009-02-04T05:20:00.000+00:00The high rate of Jewish intermarriage is one reaso...The high rate of Jewish intermarriage is one reason why I don't think Kevin MacDonald's "group strategy" has much force. There are some with low rates, like the ultra-Orthodox or Syrians, but they're something like the exception that highlights the rule.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.com